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[sp]The Bible is a tool of learning. It doesn't contain everything we need, but it's useful.

And still true.

[Colofornian]Wow! Don't overwhelm us with your description of God's Word!

"God's Word" is your description, not God's. The Bible contains some of the words, instruction, and dealings with God, but not all. It also contains the musings of men, commentaries, remembered stories, and words of the prophets.

Truth is truth. I worship God not some of the writings about God. Some of the writings in the Bible aren't about God at all.

ALL: Unlike Stormprepper's open dissing of the Bible: 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Tim. 3)

ALL: Colofornian likes to state the above until you point out that the "All Scripture" means all scripture. Even the scripture the so called "church fathers" decided they didn't like so they threw it out.

For example:

1. book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14)
2. book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18)
3. book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41)
4. book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29)
5. book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29)
6. book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29)
7. prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29)
8. visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22)
9. book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15)
10. book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34)
11. sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19)
12. an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9)
13. possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3)
14. an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16)
15. and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14)
16. the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25)
17. the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22)

Vision, prophesies and instruction all gone. And this is just what we have references to. How much was there on top of this?

All scripture means all scripture. And no, the Bible doesn't contain it all. There was a whole lot more...

All scripture means all scripture. And no, the Bible doesn't contain it all. There was a whole lot more...

Like THIS???

Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture.

Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham.

"If You Could Hie to Kolob", the hymn

Kolob as the inspiration for Kobol in Battlestar Galactica

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

Figure	Joseph Smith Explanation^[52]	Explanation by non-Mormon and Mormon Egyptologists (quotes are from Deveria)^[25]^[43]^[53]
1	Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according to celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth, which is called by the Egyptians Jah-oh-eh.	"The spirit of the four elements (according to Champollion), or rather of the four winds, or the four cardinal points; the soul of the terrestrial world. This god is always represented with four rams' heads, and his image has certainly been altered here. — They have also evidently made a very clumsy attempt at copying the double human head of the god figured above, fig. 2, instead of the four rams' heads. The word Jah-oh-eh has nothing Egyptian in it; it resembles the Hebrew word [redacted] badly transcribed." (emphasis in original) The name hieroglyph above the central figure is Chnm-Re, the Egyptian "First Creator" god who organized everything out of the primordial chaos.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham

Colofornian likes to state the above until you point out that the "All Scripture" means all scripture. Even the scripture the so called "church fathers" decided they didn't like so they threw it out. For example: 1. book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14) 2. book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18) 3. book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41) 4. book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29) 5. book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29) 6. book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29) 7. prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29) 8. visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22) 9. book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15) 10. book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34) 11. sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19) 12. an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9) 13. possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3) 14. an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16) 15. and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14) 16. the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25) 17. the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22)

If this was a trial, you would be ruled out of order for failing to establish a foundation:

1. You failed to prove if ANY of these were EVER regarded as divinely authoritative.
2. You failed to prove if ANY church father even had any of these books in their possession to "toss out."

On top of that, Mormons overlook what Joseph Smith elected to "toss out" of the Book of Mormon...Smith gets a free pass on that, yet you seemingly think the worse of the early church fathers ... not even knowing what they had in their possession.

If those "gold plates" were so, and if Smith's dictation of them were accurate, then we know what he gave to Martin Harris included a portion of 1 Nephi that was not only "lost" but DELIBERATELY never "redictated" by Smith. (What? Did that hat he duck his head into become misplaced?)