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Holy Father: Why have you allowed this man to take possession of his Cathedra?
Vox Cantoris ^ | 3/23/2015

Posted on 03/23/2015 4:21:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

Only days after stripping the disgraced pervert Cardinal, Keith O'Brien of his title and power and sending him to retire quietly in a £200,000 cottage, Pope Francis; amidst the outrage of the people of the Diocese of Osorno in Chile has permitted another bishop to take his Cathedra - a man implicated in the scandal of sodomy and perversion and the abuse of three men from the time they were boys. Is this to be considered another "who am I to judge" episode as with Msgr. Ricca appointed to a high position within the Vatican Bank? If so, then the definition of scandal has been forgotten along with a real understanding of mercy for those victimised by the evil and perverted pederasts who performed abominable acts upon young boys of teenaged years.

Victims ignored

Bishop Juan Barros, formerly of the Military Ordinariate in Chile has been made Ordinary of the Diocese of Osorno. Juan Carlos Cruz Chellew, James Hamilton Sánchez and José Andrés Murillo Urrutia said on Crux that they were "accustomed to the blows we have received from the Chilean hierarchy, but never directly from the Holy Father. It is hard to believe that it was the Pope himself who said a few days ago: "families should know that the Church makes great efforts to protect their children, who have a right to address her with confidence, because it is as safe house."

The Pope knew

Since this appointment was announced in January, Chileans have been outraged. Crux further reports that "The Archbishop of Concepción, Fernando Chomalí, met with the Pope a few weeks ago and warned him that the Barros appointment was causing consternation in Chile, not only in the community of Osorno, but throughout the country. Pope Francis admitted to knowing the suffering of the victims of Karadima and the damage to the Chilean church. However — despite everything — the Pope, through the Nuncio in Chile, Ivo Scapolo, reconfirmed Barros without considering the facts and warnings of so many people, including priests and bishops. With pain we see that the faithful will have to accept and deal with Pope Francis’ decision. A pain and fear we know too well."

Yet, Pope Francis still proceeded in spite of the warning. This is a scandal to the people of Osorno; it is a scandal and an insult to the three victims assaulted by a homosexual pederast priest whilst the then Fr. Juan Barros, watched.

The world is watching

Crux has now been reporting on this since it broke last week at the Associated Press. Patheos has picked it up finally and the secular media from the Toronto Star to the BBC to Al Jazeera are running with the story.

The Pope must be accountable for this; not just to Almighty God, but to the smelly sheep in the periphery.

As I stated in an interview with "From Rome" - Let us not, as Catholics, give an exaggerated status to any pope along the lines of what our protestant friends think – an infallibility without respect for the Gospel, which he does not possess. The First Vatican Council defined it very clearly.

All the talk of mercy, thumbs up photographs and the washing of feet and the daily media spin from the manipulators in the Vatican Press Office won't fix this. The Pope himself is responsible for this and there is no spinning out of it.

It is a disgrace to Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Church.

In their dictatorship of mercy and condemnation of the Law and those who try to live by it some appear to have forgotten who is in charge.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: barros; francis; homos
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To: babygene

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>> “We were given 10 rules to live by. Only 10” <<

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Really?

We were given hundreds of laws to live by, and each of them was carefully thought out by our Father in Heaven, and found to be necessary for life on Earth.

Yeshua’s apostles preached these laws daily throughout their lives, and paid with their lives for doing so. Are you going to tell them that they were wasting their time?

Yeshua has promised to write those same laws on our hearts, but only if we allow him to do so.

Have you told him no?

Just wondering.
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41 posted on 03/23/2015 9:17:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yes obedience is not a game of BINGO. or Jeopardy. I’ll take venial for 1,000 Alex.


42 posted on 03/23/2015 9:32:07 PM PDT by redleghunter (In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Gen. 1:1))
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To: editor-surveyor

“We were given hundreds of laws to live by, and each of them was carefully thought out by our Father in Heaven, and found to be necessary for life on Earth.”

OK, go for it ... spell them out.


43 posted on 03/23/2015 9:35:04 PM PDT by babygene
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To: babygene

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Read the Torah that the apostles preached.

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44 posted on 03/23/2015 9:36:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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Good night folks, tomorrow is another day.
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45 posted on 03/23/2015 9:38:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Torahman
Repentance is not understood in Christianity. Repentance or Teshuvah in Hebrew, means to return to G-d and return to keeping His Torah. It does not mean to feel sorry for your sins and tell G-d you’ll try to do better. Real repentance has always meant returning to Torah. Rome abandoned the Torah and sought to pick her way through the commandments like they were a Brunch Buffet, choosing the statutes that she could credibly blend with the Greco-Roman Paganism of the Empires’ masses. The result was a Jekyll and Hyde Institution that could produce great culture as well as great evil. What a mess! Now the whole structure is failing under the stress of Post Modern assaults and it does not have the ability to project power in a decisive way. Isam does not have this problem. The Answer is for Christians to return to their identity as grafted in branches of greater Israel. That would mean that they would say, “We were wrong! Help us to come home!”

Exactly right. Torah allows one to discern the oommon from the set-apart. How can one 'sin no more' if one does not understand what sin is?

47 posted on 03/23/2015 10:01:42 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: babygene; ebb tide
Breaking ANY of the commandments is a mortal sin.

You are right - The wages of sin is death.

48 posted on 03/23/2015 10:08:25 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: redleghunter
That’s quite ridiculous. There are ample examples in scriptures of those lying to evil authority to protect innocent lives.

No, I was actually told that by a born again pastor of a congregation, and yes, it was ridiculous.

49 posted on 03/23/2015 10:24:29 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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To: babygene
Breaking ANY of the commandments is a mortal sin.

You've never heard of venial sins?

50 posted on 03/23/2015 10:26:16 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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To: ebb tide
How can sinners obtain salvation if they pretend to be repentant but continue in their sins with no resolve to “sin no more”?

How can someone know another's heart from a few words about them in an article?

One can resolve to "sin no more" all he wants and never achieve that goal - if any living man could do that, Jesus would not have had to hang from the Cross - He died at the hands of sinners that sinners may be redeemed and we should rejoice in that and recognize the logs in our own eyes before judging others. We all have the logs - many choose to fool themselves that they don't or that their own logs are different because they really know how to repent better than all the dang heathens in the world.

51 posted on 03/24/2015 3:56:54 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: knarf
"Holy Father: Why have you allowed this man to take possession of his Cathedra?"

Why did the father appoint Ahab King of Israel or Mannassah King of Judah? We cannot know his ways.

52 posted on 03/24/2015 4:46:47 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: babygene

Two people show-up at the Pearly Gates.

One of them, when asked by their boss “What time did you get to work this morning”, replies “Eight o’clock”, when, in actuality, it was 8:02.

The other lied under oath at a criminal trial, resulting in the wrongful conviction and execution of an innocent person.

Do you claim those two will be judged equal in their transgressions?


53 posted on 03/24/2015 4:56:04 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide
You don't think that murder is a graver sin than a third grader cheating on a math test?

Not in God's eyes.

The wages of sin is death. All it took was Adam and Eve eating a piece of fruit. Was that worse than cheating on a math test?

Disobeying God is disobeying God, whatever form it takes and the penalty os the same.

You all Catholics need to take sin a little more seriously.

54 posted on 03/24/2015 5:51:15 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: redleghunter

Guessing the RC response based on history, they’d be expected to live together in a sexless marriage.


55 posted on 03/24/2015 5:54:54 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: DuncanWaring; Jeff Chandler

“Do you claim those two will be judged equal in their transgressions?”

While it is true that stealing for instance is not on the same level as committing murder. The gravity of mortal sin can vary. But that should bring little comfort to anyone whose eternal salvation is at risk.


56 posted on 03/24/2015 6:19:52 AM PDT by babygene
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To: babygene
The gravity of mortal sin can vary. The Church teaches that sins which are not grave are venial sins. Do believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church?
57 posted on 03/24/2015 7:31:39 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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To: metmom
The wages of sin is death. All it took was Adam and Eve eating a piece of fruit. Was that worse than cheating on a math test? Disobeying God is disobeying God, whatever form it takes and the penalty os the same. You all Catholics need to take sin a little more seriously.
Let's hope that's not true; lest there be plenty of FReepers in h*ll (both Catholic and not) who have committed the sin of sloth (wasting time on the FR religion forum for years and years on end).
58 posted on 03/24/2015 7:33:49 AM PDT by mlizzy ("Tell your troubles to Jesus," my wisecracking father used to say, and now I do.......at adoration.)
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To: metmom
You don't think that murder is a graver sin than a third grader cheating on a math test? Not in God's eyes.

Wow. Just wow.

59 posted on 03/24/2015 7:36:34 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“The Church teaches that sins which are not grave are venial sins.”

Of course there are venial sins. Many of those are “things that I have failed to do”... For a sin to be a mortal sin one has to know that it’s a sin and consciously do it anyway.

Please point out, with regard to the ten commandants, the ones you do not know to be sinful... And which ones you think are trivial.

I would refer you to http://www.saintaquinas.com/mortal_sin.html


60 posted on 03/24/2015 8:13:18 AM PDT by babygene
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