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Rejecting Mariology
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| February 05, 2007
| Lee
Posted on 03/23/2015 2:14:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: CynicalBear
The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.[Cardinal Newman - Development of Christian Doctrine, pg 373] Just WOW!!!
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posted on
03/25/2015 7:28:11 AM PDT
by
DungeonMaster
(No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
To: Mrs. Don-o
Indeed you are badly mistaken if you think that the faithful holy ones who have gone on before us are now NOT living members of the Body of Christ and are LESS able to care for us and intercede for us than they were when they lived on this earth! It's a real head-scratcher. Here is where I disagree. Yes they are living but that's all the Word says about them. Who is to say what it is like to be in the presence of the Lord? You and yours imagine, and it is only imagination, that they are very similar in goals and focus as when "alive". I imagine it is "no eye has seen and no mind has conceived" and "words not legal to utter" INCREDIBLY FANTASTIC to the point that even if one could observe the world, one wouldn't want to. In heaven we are not even married yet the lower Catholic imagination of that is like an episode of Medium, where the dead are sad and want to be with their corporeal loved ones. It trivialized glory in eternity in the presence of the Lord.
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posted on
03/25/2015 7:37:36 AM PDT
by
DungeonMaster
(No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
To: Mrs. Don-o
>>Frankly, my jaw drops when I realize that there are people who think that ALL these ancient Christian communities have been ALL wrong, ALL the time<<
Six of the seven "churches" addressed in Revelation had already strayed to the point of being rejected by Christ. The twisting of the words of scripture by the Catholic Church is what is jaw dropping.
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posted on
03/25/2015 7:41:44 AM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: CynicalBear
And you can't even see that straying local churches were being confronted and corrected by Apostolic Church authority, namely John!!
Talk about not seeing what's right in front of your face!
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posted on
03/25/2015 7:44:40 AM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15)
To: DungeonMaster
Just wow is right. It’s totally disregarding what God said. Yet they can’t see what happened to the Israelites when they did the same thing.
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posted on
03/25/2015 7:46:44 AM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: Mrs. Don-o
>>And you can't even see that straying local churches were being confronted and corrected by Apostolic Church authority, namely John!!<<
John was simply taking dictation.
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posted on
03/25/2015 7:48:26 AM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: CynicalBear
John is
speaking (or writing) to the seven churches of Asia:
Revelation 1:7 - John to the seven churches which are in Asia. Grace be unto you and peace from him that is, and that was, and that is to come, and from the seven spirits which are before his throne"
Right in front of your face.
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posted on
03/25/2015 7:55:50 AM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15)
To: Mrs. Don-o
Revelation 1:1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, Consistently trying to give credit to man is not going to turn out well for Catholics.
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posted on
03/25/2015 8:02:24 AM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: ealgeone
The opinion of anyone who posts this nonsense will not be debated.
By you, at any rate? :) Have a good day!
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posted on
03/25/2015 9:14:01 AM PDT
by
paladinan
(Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
To: All
I’ll have to apologize: I’m getting swamped with work, right now, and FR needs to take a back-seat. I have off from work, next week, so I might(?) be able to write a bit, then. In the meantime, thanks for the chat!
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posted on
03/25/2015 10:09:07 AM PDT
by
paladinan
(Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
To: MHGinTN
...do we err in thinking that is 'create a place' rather than rearrange things for a place to receive us to? I don't think it matters much.
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posted on
03/25/2015 1:10:39 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: dartuser
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posted on
03/25/2015 1:11:02 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: MHGinTN
And, uninteresting ones as well!
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posted on
03/25/2015 1:11:58 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Go ahead and rationalize it.Still peddling your crap; I see.
STA apparently CHOOSES to give a false imprssion every time he writes:
"If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector." --Jesus
Matthew 18:15-17 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
15 But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.
17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
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posted on
03/25/2015 1:15:15 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: paladinan
Ill have to apologize: Im getting swamped with work, right now, and FR needs to take a back-seat.What?
You are working for someone; using THEIR time to chat on FR??
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posted on
03/25/2015 1:17:38 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: verga
Nope...you "fixed" nothing - not even close. It is curious how many times the SAME false opinions - disguised as "truth" - are disputed by genuine facts yet some continue to spout them as if they were oblivious to it all and don't have a clue about WHY they are wrong. Perhaps the reason is they cannot bring themselves to admit their "church" is fallible about anything so they simply have to continue to defend them no matter how stupid it makes them look to others. We continue to pray for them, though.
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posted on
03/25/2015 1:18:03 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
To: Elsie
The Catholic Church didnt even exist when Jesus said that, it took a Roman emperor to create it. Nothing like the church Jesus spoke of.
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posted on
03/25/2015 1:20:21 PM PDT
by
GeronL
(Shrub Scouts, root them out and make them whine)
To: Elsie
Don’t be a complete, inflammatory jerk, Elsie. Some of us actually take work home, on a regular basis. If you don’t, then... well... bully for you.
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posted on
03/25/2015 1:29:07 PM PDT
by
paladinan
(Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
To: paladinan
You forgot to say “I think”.
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posted on
03/25/2015 1:32:06 PM PDT
by
Legatus
(I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
As for us Catholics, we will listen to the church, the pillar and foundation of truth, as Christ commanded.A pillar holds something up... in this case that quote means Christ..
Does Paul say that in his absence, the church of Ephesus can get along just fine without him since the church is a pillar and foundation of truth? That Ephesian Christians can learn everything they need to learn from the Magisterium or teaching office of the Church? No, he says nothing of the kind. To the contrary, he is writing to them so that they will know how to conduct themselves in church. They arent getting this from the church. They are getting this from him. From his teaching to the church (e.g. the household code in 1 Tim 2:1-3:13).
He is writing them because he cant teach them in personat the moment. But in any case, their source of sound doctrine comes from him. Not from the church, as a pillar and pedestal of truth.
In context, 1 Tim 3:15 is the very antithesis of a prooftext for ecclesiastical authority.
http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2008/09/is-church-pillar-pedestal-of-truth.html
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