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To: kosciusko51; taxcontrol; mrsmel; winodog; .45 Long Colt; LambSlave; AppyPappy; TheZMan; ...
Some of the differences in response are due to people pointing out the different layers.

Really?

"Since God is sinless and can not tolerate sin, at that moment, God had to remove his presence from Jesus." - taxcontrol, post #8.

"In the spiritual realm God turned his head from his son as he bore the sins of humanity." - winodog, post #10.

"God turned His back when Jesus was on the cross because He could not look upon sin, even-or perhaps especially-in His own Son. Just as Jesus loudly lamented, God the Father had indeed forsaken Him." - .45 Long Colt, post #16.

"Except that Jesus IS God." - AppyPappy, post #21.

"It’s a good question, the answer to which we may never know." - TheZMan, post #24.

"At that moment. God turned His Face from Christ, because Christ became SIN (our sin from Eve’s tempation to the last sin ever committed by the last born human still in the future). He cannot look upon sin, so Christ being the 2nd of the Trinity could feel this separation from His Father. That pain must have been even more unbearable than the physical torment of crucifixion." - Roman_War_Criminal, post #29.

"To claim to understand the full impact or meaning of that statement would be akin to claiming full understanding of the hypostatic union." - CynicalBear, post #35.

Sorry, that is a snark, and most of the answers were consistent.

Many were consistent with each other but many were not. And almost all Protestants took the approach that God saw sin on the Cross, not an obedient Son. What do you think?

I wonder if I ask a random group of Catholics the same question if I would get the exact same answer.

Read back through the thread and I think you can pick out the Catholics.

46 posted on 03/19/2015 9:09:26 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
Consistency: Jesus referencing Psalm 22:

Post #3, #9, #12, #17, #18, #20, #28, #29, #41.

The differences you point out are issues with understanding the nature of the Trinity. If anyone thinks they have this completely figured out, they are most likely wrong. The Early Church fathers had difficulty with it, and were not always consistent, other than that there is One God in Three Persons. Deviation from that point is heresy to the Christian faith.

The big questions is: are the difference cited enough to change the message of the Bible, which are then nature of God, man's relation to God, and how one must be reconciled to God? If it is, then we as Christian need to under how to correct the error. If not, then it may be open for debate.

Grace and Peace,
K51

54 posted on 03/19/2015 9:33:00 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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Yet we should accept the presumption that the Catholic Church knows the mind of God. What hubris. The leadership in the Catholic Church doesn’t even qualify per Paul to be in any type of leadership position in the New Testament ekklesia. Yet Catholics listen to unqualified fallible men.


59 posted on 03/19/2015 9:45:05 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: pgyanke

“. And almost all Protestants took the approach that God saw sin on the Cross, not an obedient Son.

I believe you are twisting our words there. No one said God did not see an obedient son. Or that God saw sin on the wooden beams he was nailed to.

For all of eternity the son was with God and for a “split second” in the spiritual realm God turned his face and it was far worse then the nails in his hands and feet.


67 posted on 03/19/2015 9:50:46 AM PDT by winodog (hang on tight to Gods salvation)
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