Posted on 03/18/2015 6:21:18 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Personal attack much?
He stammered, looked very confused and perplexed, and finally said to me: "Well, uhhh, ummm, that is a Great Mystery."
Seems consistent with what the majority of FRoman Catholics have told me over the years.
Why post lies about catholics. Catholics believe without works, faith is dead. But only through faith is salvation.
You seem stressed. Perhaps you should say five “Our Fathers” and five “Hail Marys” along with a Rosary or two.
Will kissing the desiccated skull of a “saint” help?
So, one would remain a Roman Catholic even if Lord Jesus Christ were to say “Come follow Me and none other.”
I asked one on FR. He replied he would say “Get behind me Satan.” Some are in too much in love with their false gods and idols to repent.
Perhaps you have read other parts of John 6?
47 In all truth I tell you, everyone who believes has eternal life.
48 I am the bread of life.
49 Your fathers ate manna in the desert and they are dead;
50 but this is the bread which comes down from heaven, so that a person may eat it and not die.
51 I am the living bread which has come down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live for ever; and the bread that I shall give is my flesh, for the life of the world.’
52 Then the Jews started arguing among themselves, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’
53 Jesus replied to them: In all truth I tell you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Anyone who does eat my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise that person up on the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me and I live in that person.
57 As the living Father sent me and I draw life from the Father, so whoever eats me will also draw life from me.
58 This is the bread which has come down from heaven; it is not like the bread our ancestors ate: they are dead, but anyone who eats this bread will live for ever.
Well said; God bless you!
God sent Jesus to earth to show us the true God and Savior of the world.
Jesus came to this earth to satisfy the wrath of God
Romans 3:24being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.…
Propitiation ...3722. kaphar -- to cover over, pacify, make propitiation ... 3721, 3722. kaphar. 3722a . to cover over, pacify, make propitiation. Transliteration: kaphar Phonetic Spelling: (kaw-far') Short Definition: appease. ...
Jesus was sent to vindicate the righteousness of God
Only A perfect man could die for sinful man...only man/God could pay the penalty we all deserve
One more time..Who was saved at the cross???
Just a pitiful hit and run?
The Roman Catholic Church follows the One True Christ.
There is no mechanism to prove your absurd statement.
She just asserted all Catholic Priests are pedophiles.
That IS bigoted and uninformed!
There is nothing in Catholic teaching to justify the statement that the Church encourages belief in a magical virtue, or physical curative efficacy residing in relics.
Then why do it?
A terribly incomplete picture... and very instructive of our differing perspective.
Yes, He died for us. He died to redeem us. However, God is not put into a box. God doesn't seek to condemn us and Jesus wasn't simply suffering the punishment of a vengeful God. God is Love. He is a loving and reproving Father. He is also just. In every oath, there is the blessing and the curse... blessing in obedience, curse in failure. Following the faithful act of Abraham, God swore by Himself a covenant with Abraham to fulfill the promises He had made. The covenants we broke with God required a price we couldn't pay.
The Old Testament expectations of the Christ were of one who would provide temporal relief for Israel. But God did something new and entirely unexpected with Jesus...
The story begins with an understanding of the meaning of “covenant.” Many see Jesus on the Cross and think in juridical terms (condemned by our sins) or even contractual terms (He paid the price), and these are true... but insufficient. He is the sacrificial offering of the New Covenant. Covenant differs from contract as much as marriage differs from prostitution. One is family-making, the other is a business arrangement.
Since our fall in the Garden of Eden, God has been rebuilding His Family... following the same model as our Creation. In the Creation account, He worked by days fixing the conditions of this new reality (it was taho wabahu—without form and void). He started by providing first the form and second the inhabitants. In the first three days, He separated light from dark (day one), separated the waters above and below (day two) and gave us dry land with vegetation (day three). He then filled these realms; sun and moon (day four), birds and fish (day five), and animals and man (day six). He rested on the seventh day not out of fatigue but to mark his creation with a covenant... the number seven is a covenantal number. We broke this covenant through disobedience. While some see Original Sin as a stain passed down, it may be better understood as something we lost and could not regain ourselves. We lost our covenantal relationship with God... our kinship. So God set out to start again...
After the flood, the Earth had form and it wasn’t void. God was rebuilding our covenantal relationship this time. God made His first starting-over covenant with Noah and his family with the seven colors of the rainbow. God then made His family-rebuilding covenant with Abraham in the form of a three-fold promise... the land, a nation and all men blessed through him. God affirmed His covenant with Isaac (because Abraham had another son, Ishmael). God confirmed His covenant again with Jacob (because Isaac thought to pass his blessing through Esau). In these promises, the unbroken bloodline matters in fulfilling God’s promise, but it is God, not the Earthly succession Who confirmed the line His promise would follow. God then began to fulfill these promises... the land through Moses on Sinai, the royal dynasty of David, and all people through Christ on the Cross. Seven covenants just like the seven days of creation.
In each successive covenant, God is growing his family... from the family of Abraham to the tribe of Jacob to the Nation under Moses to the Kingdom of David and then all nations under Christ. What was Christ doing on the Cross? He was the sacrificial offering of the New Covenant where man could be rejoined to God’s family. Just as the neighbor kids can’t become part of my family on their own—I have to adopt them—so we couldn’t make ourselves part of God’s family. The New Covenant is a return to our participation in the family life of God! We are given many examples in the Old Testament of family covenants through marriages, adoptions and others. In each, there is a sacrificial offering and sign of the covenant.
Just as we don’t delight in the accomplishments of the neighbor kids, so God did not delight in our vain offerings before our redemption. Now, through Christ, God does delight and reward our efforts. In so many places in the New Testament we find that God will reward us for our deeds. That is because Christ has merited for us the ability to merit from God.
Christ on the Cross was at once Priest offering a sacrifice, the sacrificial Lamb of the New Covenant, and the Bridegroom to His Church. Now, in order to be part of His Family, we are commanded to ‘believe.’ However, ‘believe’ is an action word. It doesn’t mean that we have an intellectual understanding or a feeling... just as my kids believe that school is important for them but it doesn’t do them any good until they actually go to school and participate. If we BELIEVE that Jesus is Christ, then we are to DO the Will of His Father... which begins our life in God’s Family through baptism in His Holy Name.
Christ on the Cross isn’t the end from which there is no more to be done, it is the beginning from which all else is possible. It is more than paying the price for sinners, it is restoring lost family members to the Holy Family of God.
Did no such thing. You are reading into what was said.
[shaking the dust from my feet...]
While you are at it you ought to take the plank out of your eye. You called Christians “condescending” yet you’ve posted many condescending comments on this thread.
Repent.
>> “I'm only denying your authority (and or the authority of your tradition) to say what Holy Scripture means.” <<
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I claim no authority. There is no “authority” among men.
There are no “traditions” but the keeping of the words of Yehova.
Scripture says what it means when it is read.
Romans 10:
[11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
[13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
[14] How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
[15] And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
[16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Its a 'catholic' thing to do: cover your ears and sing "la, la, la, la, la when the word is read.
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Example?
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>> “There is no mechanism to prove your absurd statement.” <<
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Except the Yelping Dog!
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