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DEMOCRATS FEAR A ‘CATHOLIC APOCALYPSE’
Catholic Vote ^ | March 16, 2015 | TOM HOOPES

Posted on 03/16/2015 4:21:19 PM PDT by NYer

democratic apocalypse

“The Democratic Party is facing a Catholic apocalypse,” Patricia Miller warns at Salon.

Her article does a good job of marshaling statistics, but when she assesses the reasons for the apocalypse she makes a critical error.

“White Catholics are now identifying as Republicans by historic margins,” she says, and lists the evidence.

• She cites Pew data showing that 53% of white Catholics favor the GOP, versus 39% who favor Democrats.

• Catholics voted for John McCain over Barack Obama in 2008’s presidential race by 5 percentage points, she says — but chose Mitt Romney over Obama by 19 points four years later, she says.

• The U.S. House has gone from a Catholic Democrat “bastian” in 2009 — with 98 Catholic Democrats and 37 Catholic Republicans to having more Catholic Republicans than Catholic Democrats for the first time ever in 2015 — though only barely; 69 to 68.

• Between 2009 and 2014 the number of white Catholics who thought the White House was unfriendly to religious doubled from 17% to 36%, according to Pew, says Miller.

The article looks for blame for the sudden shift, and offers a few ideas. It could be the bishops who say you can’t support Democrats because of abortion. It could be that left-leaning Catholics are leaving the Church, leaving only “conservative” Catholics in the fold. It could be that bishops (every bishop, by the way) are in her words “demonizing” the HHS mandate — the federal mandate that says Catholic employers must violate their consciences or face crippling fines.

Last, she cites Pew data showing Catholics wanting more conservative spending and immigration policies to say it could be the “Tea Party-ization of white Catholics.”

She is right. It could be any of those outside influences changing the dynamic.

But the only group missing from her list of possible suspects is the most likely culprit: the Democratic Party itself.

First, on abortion, the Democratic Party has changed dramatically. Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy and Jesse Jackson all started out supporting the right to life. Democrats for Life powerfully make the case that liberals should be pro-life. But the party’s harsh stand against the right to life has left it hemorrhaging people of conscience for a long time.

Princeton’s Robbie George left the party over abortion decades ago.  Jo Ann Nardelli, an important Democratic organizer who had close ties to the late Gov. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania  over social issues. Bishop Thomas Tobin left in 2013, giving up all hope for reform in the party.

For years, the Clintonian formula allowed Democrats to believe they wanted abortion to be “safe, legal and rare.” Kermit Gosnell did away with the “safe” part . The 2012 Democratic platform did away with the “rare” part. Now all that is left is the “legal” part.

Just last week, Democrats killed a bill against human-trafficking because it didn’t pay federal money to abortion businesses. It is hard to accept a party that would do that, and many people simply won’t.

But Miller misses two other key factors in Catholic defections.

First: War.

Catholics don’t only care about abortion. As the Financial Times wrote in 2008, Pennsylvania swung away from the Republicans over the Iraq war.

What did Catholics get for their votes? Under Obama’s watch, U.S. kill teams in Afghanistan made international headlines. The administration’s violence created chaos in Libya and our premature exit from Iraq created an opening for ISIS, and the Obama administration shamefully redefined “civilian” to justify his own drone policy.

Catholics who voted for Obama got more abortion, less religious liberty, and more violence worldwide.

Second: Latinos.

By stressing “white Catholics,” the article doesn’t mention that Latino Catholics are also not a cinch for the Democratic Party.

When party-switcher New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez said, “I’ll be damned, we’re Republicans” she was describing a feeling others may be having. Latinos were not the shoe-in they were supposed to be for Democrats last November.

It’s no wonder: Latinos are more pro-life in polls than the general population.

But one thing Miller totally gets right is that the changing dynamic heralds more changes to come.

“The shift in the Catholic vote should really be a wakeup call to the Democrats,” she quotes Democratic activist Steve Krueger saying. “White Catholics are 18 percent of the electorate and Catholics vote 1 to 2 percentage points above their representation in the overall population. This is a significant voting bloc that now perceives Republicans as being more welcoming to people of faith.”


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To: AnAmericanMother; EnigmaticAnomaly
That would be Romans, chapter 8.

Since we are going there; here is a verse for those who seek to fix our Nation's SPIRITUAL problems with POLITICAL measures...


 

 

 

 

2 Chronicles 7:14

If my people, who are called by my name,
shall humble themselves,
and pray, and seek my face,
and turn from their wicked ways; ,

then will I hear from heaven,
and will forgive their sin,
and will heal their land.

61 posted on 03/17/2015 12:02:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RitaOK
Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming

CHOICE is the farm team for more American Citizens going.

62 posted on 03/17/2015 12:04:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Karl Spooner
To some people, that is the way God indented it.

I'd like to see some tabulated data to prove this.

63 posted on 03/17/2015 12:25:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
You have a strange way of repeatedly failing.

And continually proving your point at the same time.

64 posted on 03/17/2015 12:25:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
(Catholic Encyclopedia > Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary)

Actual Catholics and what they believe...


 
 
Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.

Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.

Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.

Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.

Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.

Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.

Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.

Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.

Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.

Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.

65 posted on 03/17/2015 12:28:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
Your criticism was not valid last time, nor is it this time.

He never learns.

(Or thinks WE never do!!)

66 posted on 03/17/2015 12:29:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FatherofFive

I think the Church will end up much smaller (which isn’t necessarily a bad thing); I don’t think their positions will ever be “mainstream”.

Thank you; County Armagh here!


67 posted on 03/17/2015 2:36:47 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: NYer

bttt!


68 posted on 03/17/2015 2:45:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: daniel1212

Do as I say, not as I do.


69 posted on 03/17/2015 3:31:45 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: NYer

All those prayers are working. Keep praying people. This really is good news.


70 posted on 03/17/2015 4:53:19 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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To: kearnyirish2
Wow, you are pretty outdated in your information if you think that Catholics are afraid of the hierarchy. It is most definitely the other way around.
71 posted on 03/17/2015 4:56:04 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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To: Karl Spooner
To the Pope, that is not acceptable. In essence, only the Church can decide, not the peons.

When did the Church start sanctioning abortion?

72 posted on 03/17/2015 5:07:59 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: boatbums

We could start posting about 50 posts to ourselves.


73 posted on 03/17/2015 5:47:29 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Elsie; Salvation

It is “she” not “he.”


74 posted on 03/17/2015 5:49:38 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
The Democrat Party has firmly established itself as the anti-God party.

Amen. Yet I know Catholics who hate Republican politicians. Old stereotypes implanted by the leftist media die hard.

75 posted on 03/17/2015 5:55:24 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: Elsie
How many Mormons did it take to elect Harry Reid?

You are completely missing the point. Too many Catholics vote democRat, for all the wrong reasons. The point is that if Catholics would vote what their Faith teaches - no vote for anyone who supports abortion, for example - the Rats would never an election.

It is not about electing people of a certain religion, but those who hold certain values.

76 posted on 03/17/2015 6:17:03 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: daniel1212
It is “she” not “he.”

I should have known: Salvation DOES come from a FEMALE!!


 
 
 
Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.

Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.

Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.

Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.

Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.

Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.

Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.

Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.

Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.

Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.

77 posted on 03/17/2015 6:57:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FatherofFive
You are completely missing the point.

Nope; merely making a NEW one...

78 posted on 03/17/2015 6:58:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SampleMan
When did the Church start sanctioning abortion?

Well; it walks around in FRONT of CHOICE Centers, carrying signs, while humans are being viciously killed inside.

Doesn't this count for SOMETHING???

79 posted on 03/17/2015 7:00:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
We could start posting about 50 posts to ourselves.

I thought PROTS don't do Caucus threads...

80 posted on 03/17/2015 7:00:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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