Posted on 03/14/2015 6:43:21 PM PDT by ebb tide
The Philippines’ top prelate decried the clergy’s harmful treatment of lesbian and gay people during a recent address in London, saying modern science and social attitudes must be integrated into the church’s pastoral efforts.
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The catechism condemns homosexual activity.
You sound like a ferguson rioter who want shut up and read the justice dept findings. Waste of my time
only that we should be more merciful in our approach.
You’re quoting JP II’s catechism, a catechism that I reject. It’s the same catechism that says the ISIS butcherers worship the same God that I do.
Check out the Baltimore Catechism or St Pius X’s catechism and see how much verbage they waste on “homos”.
And a vid a bus to you!
I would put more trust in God's Word that the catechism, synods, cannon law, Lumen gentium, and all the rest.
Stick with the God. He never changes.
The “hook ‘em horns” gesture uses the thumb to hold the middle fingers down. This looks more like a Photoshopped Satanic hand symbol.
God’s Word. Stop right there. The books in the Bible did not fall from the skies and self-assmeble themselves. They were sorted out through infallible interpretation over nearly 300 years under Petrine authority and the canonical text of AD 382 in the Synod of Rome is the Bible you speak of. That infallible authority to say authoritatively what is and is not God’s Word did not disappear eleven centuries late with the Protestant Reformation where very Tom, Dick, and Harry and their grandmother offer us “their” interpretations of God’s Word. Thus we don’t have Joel Osteen anymore than Billy Graham or Jim Jones or David Koresh or Rev. Jeremiah Wright telling us what is God’s Word.
Well, ebb tide, you are here to say that the catechism, the document serving the Church which was founded by Jesus Himself, does not follow Gods word. You must be smarter than all the founders going back to the year 33 AD are not basing it on the bible. I’ll give you references listed, as you are too frightened to read the selection
But let’s now stop wasting each other’s’ time
Ref from section on sixth commandment incl homosexuality and homosexual behavior
Where you see references to encyclicals, you can google them for biblical references in a second or two
113 Ex 20:14; Deut 5:18.
114 Mt 5:27-28.
115 FC 11.
116 Gen 1:27.
117 Gen 1:28.
118 Gen 5:1-2.
119 FC 22; Cf. GS 49 § 2.
120 MD 6.
121 Gen 2:24.
122 Cf. Gen 4:1-2, 25-26; 5:1.
123 Mt 5:27-28.
124 Cf. Mt 19:6.
125 Cf. Mt 5:37.
126 Cf. Sir 1:22.
127 GS 17.
128 St. Augustine, Conf. 10,29,40:PL 32,796.
129 Cf. Titus 2:1-6.
130 FC 34.
131 GS 25 § 1.
132 Cf. Gal 5:22.
133 Cf. 1 Jn 3:3.
134 Cf. Jn 15:15.
135 Gal 3:27.
136 CDF, Persona humana 11.
137 St. Ambrose, De viduis 4,23:PL 16,255A.
138 CDF, Persona humana 9.
139 CDF, Persona humana 9.
140 Cf. 1 Cor 6:15-20.
141 Cf. Gen 191-29; Rom 124-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10.
142 CDF, Persona humana 8.
143 FC 11.
144 Tob 8:4-9.
145 GS 49 § 2.
146 Pius XII, Discourse, October 29, 1951.
147 GS 48 § 1.
148 Cf. CIC, can. 1056.
149 Mk 109; cf. Mt 19:1-12; 1 Cor 7:10-11.
150 St. John Chrysostom, Hom. in Eph. 20,8:PG 62,146-147.
151 FC 30.
152 HV 11.
153 HV 12; cf. Pius XI, encyclical, Casti connubii.
154 Cf. Eph 3:14; Mt 23:9.
155 GS 50 § 2.
156 GS 51 § 3.
157 Cf. HV 12.
158 HV 16.
159 HV 14.
160 FC 32.
161 GS 51 § 4.
162 Cf. HV 23; PP 37.
163 Cf. GS 50 § 2.
164 Gen 15:2.
165 Gen 30:1.
166 CDF, Donum vitae intro.,2.
167 CDF, Donum vitae II,1.
168 CDF, Donum vitae II,5.
169 CDF, Donum vitae II,4.
170 CDF, Donum vitae II,8.
171 Cf. Mt 5:27-28.
172 Cf. Mt 5:32; 19:6; Mk 10:11; 1 Cor 6:9-10.
173 Cf. Hos 2:7; Jer 5:7; 13:27.
174 Cf. Mt 5:31-32; 19:3-9; Mk 10:9; Lk 16:18; 1 Cor 7:10-ll.
175 Cf. Mt 19:7-9.
176 CIC, can. 1141.
177 Cf. CIC, cann. 1151-1155.
178 St. Basil, Moralia 73,1:PG 31,849-852.
179 Cf. FC 84.
180 FC 19; cf. GS 47 § 2.
181 Cf. Lev 18:7-20.
182 1 Cor 5:1, 4-5.
183 Cf. FC 81.
184 CDF, Persona humana 7.
185 Cf. FC 80.
I meant to address skypilot
We gotta lighten up on this sin stuff they are gonna do it anyway. Is this a. New pastoral doctrine
I am sick and tired of the Catholic Church’s ever growing Liberal positions...ON EVERYTHING!
What a joke!
Tagle knows that gays are not stigmatized in the provinces as they are in the US, but he also should know that in Manila elite rich gays have a US type gay lifestyle complete with violence and HIV.
And just ignore all those gay travel websites that give advice on good places to date...i.e. where to find attractive young male prostitutes and teenagers who will let you do anything because they are poor and need the money.
The hand expression is sign language for I love you....
New Ways Ministry has received criticism throughout its more than 35 years of active ministry.
Seven years after New Ways Ministry’s 1977 founding, Cardinal James Hickey barred the organization from the Archdiocese of Washington because of its dissent from Catholic teaching.[4] In 1984, the Vatican ordered co-founders Fr. Nugent and Sr. Gramick to resign from New Ways Ministry. Both continued publishing, speaking, and ministering around gay and lesbian issues within the Catholic Church until 1999.
In 1999, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, then under the leadership of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, condemned the organization’s positions on homosexuality,[4] and ordered co-founders Sr. Gramick and Fr. Nugent to cease pastoral ministry within the gay and lesbian community. [5] Fr. Nugent returned to parish-based ministry, but Sr. Gramick refused to comply.
In 2000, in response to Gramick's teaching that homosexuality is a legitimate "alternative" lifestyle, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith noted the “grave doctrinal error” in her work and declared that she should no longer be engaged in pastoral work with homosexuals,since her teachings "[had] caused confusion among the Catholic people and... harmed the community of the Church."
The president of the U.S. bishops’ conference, Bishop Joseph Fiorenza of Galveston-Houston, had issued a lengthy statement responding to “concerns expressed, mostly by religious men and women as well as members of the laity” about the notification. In it, Bishop Fiorenza addressed the conscience issue, stating, “It is not an invasion of conscience for the Church to ask those who minister in her name about their adherence to Church teaching.”
Gramick's own religious order - the School Sisters of Notre Dame – asked her to stop speaking publicly on homosexuality. Sister Gramick made her intention to disobey the Church clear, stating, "I choose not to collaborate in my own oppression by restricting a basic human right [to speak]. To me this is a matter of conscience." She transferred from the School Sisters of Notre Dame to the Sisters of Loretto at this time, who supported her continued ministry around LGBT issues.
In 2010, Cardinal Francis George, Archbishop of Chicago and President of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), stated that the New Ways Ministry for homosexual Catholics does not present an authentic view of Catholic teaching. Rather, it confuses the faithful about the Church’s efforts to defend traditional marriage and to minister to homosexual persons.[6]
And then what?
Always check your sources and the sources within the articles. Also look up the groups/publications on the internet. You’ll get a much clearer picture: especially around here.
Yep, good old American sign language. The very first sign that I learned.
About 40 years ago, I drove a church bus and on my route I picked up a pretty little 5 year old deaf girl and her older brother. I'd flash her the I love you sign as she got on and off the bus, she was a shy little girl and usually just blushed and went on her way.
After about a dozen weeks of picking up her and her brother, she shocked me one morning by flashing it back at me. After that we chatted a little bit every time she rode the bus (Not while I was driving)
Thanks for taking me back to that fond memory.
I notice you are retired now, I’ll let my g/daughter know, she’s a member of this forum and a “lady doc” too. (Holly_P)
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