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To: Zuriel
To you she is the symbol of Israel.

To me, she is the holy, blessed, and faithful Virgin of Israel and spiritual mother to every disciple that Jesus loves.

To you she is the symbol of Israel. You elevate her higher than the apostle Paul does: “....the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.”

It seems to me you aver the Messiah did build his church on the Apostle Cephas.

**Whatever prophetic truths come to pass, there is no one, save Messiah himself, who more personifies Israel than Miriam, and Messiah is not a woman, but is Miriam’s son.**

To you she is the symbol of Israel. You elevate her higher than the apostle Paul does: “....the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.”

Mary was not an apostle or prophet. You place her second only to God. Truly, you folks are obsessed with her more than Jesus Christ.

I love and honor her. Perhaps you could look in the mirror for obsession and contemplate its source. Whence cometh hatred of the woman ?

I pointed out that Jesus’ own half-brothers were among the unbelievers in Nazareth, showing a similar situation to what the dreamer,Joseph, had with his half-brothers (his only full brother, Benjamin, had nothing to do with rejecting him).

Joseph and his brethren had the same father, but different mothers. We do not know geneaologies of Jesus' brethren. We know those of Joseph and his brethren.

After telling his dream, Joseph’s father interpretted it. “And his brothers envied him; but his father observed the saying”. Gen. 37:11 When the twelve year old Jesus tells his mother, “How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?” Luke 2:49 “..but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart”. Joseph was elevated to be over Israel (the man, his sons, and their families). Jesus Christ is over Israel (the faithful, whether Jew or Gentile).

Mary, aside from raising the Child, was not elevated in power over any individual or nation.

You will wait and see.

She is still asleep in Christ, waiting for the trump to sound, just like the others that have died in the faith.

Where are Moses and Elijah (not to mention other saints raised from the dead) ?

Your organization has built so many traditions about her, and have dwelt on them so much, you can’t believe anything else.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
Phillipians, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses eight to nine, as authorized, but not authored, by King James

**So, for the woman in Revelation, in order to get Israel, you must have Miriam.**

So Mary is the mother of Jacob.........That seems to be your position.

Since Jesus loves Jacob, and Jacob loves Jesus, then I suppose Miriam can be Jacob's honored spiritual mother too.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

As you wish

94 posted on 03/16/2015 9:53:47 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

**To me, she is the holy, blessed, and faithful Virgin of Israel and spiritual mother to every disciple that Jesus loves.**

See, there you go, giving her a status that isn’t scriptural. When people are born of the Spirit, they are born of God, not born of Mary.

**It seems to me you aver the Messiah did build his church on the Apostle Cephas.**

Just like Paul, Peter (Cephas) says that Jesus Christ is the “chief corner stone”. (1Peter 2:6).

**I love and honor her.**

Nothing wrong with that. I do as well. It’s the make believe stuff your organization has said about her: ‘immaculate conception’, ‘forever a virgin’, ‘Queen of Heaven’, ‘Co-Redemptrix’, ‘Mother Of God’, etc.

God has no mother, no beginning or ending. “Wherefore when He cometh into the world, he saith,” (Jesus Christ, whose goings forth have been from old, said to God the Father) “Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me.” Heb. 10:5

God the Father made Christ’s body in Mary’s womb. Mary didn’t make the soul or the Spirit that dwelled in that body. And Peter (Cephas) said, “..God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, BOTH Lord and Christ.

God made Jesus Lord and Christ, not Mary. Being chosen to carry the tabernacle of flesh, that the Son would dwell in, was a blessed honor. I simply don’t give credit for making more of God, for that is not possible.

**Whence cometh hatred of the woman ?**

Because I disagree with your traditions, I’m a hater? Are you a Democrat, that accuses hate or racism, when disagreeing with the prez?

**Where are Moses and Elijah (not to mention other saints raised from the dead) ?**

Did Jesus tell you to pray to Moses or Elijah?


95 posted on 03/16/2015 8:04:22 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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