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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
***Where does that crucifixion take place? ***

The moment you TRULY believe


But see, that's not what Paul says. Back up to post #47 and read what he says about our crucifixion with Christ.
58 posted on 03/05/2015 8:48:08 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

So precisely whom do YOU consider to be your brothers in the LORD? Other Trinitarian Christians or ONLY those baptized by a Campbellite immersionist?

I was baptized by immersion in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a cold stream as a teen, but the Campbellite church, that later tried to convert me, considered my baptism to be null and void, insisting I be baptize THEIR WAY for their reasons!

Even the Catholics accept a baptism in the name of the Trinity from other denominations except mormons and JWs!

But No-O-O-o! The Campbellites would not accept mine! What is really galling is I came out of an old Northern Irish RESTORATIONIST movement completely separate from the Stone-Campbell revivalist movement.


62 posted on 03/05/2015 9:18:25 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: LearsFool

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

What is missing here?
Romans 10:
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED! Baptism came later but SALVATION was already there.


74 posted on 03/05/2015 11:19:19 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: LearsFool; Ruy Dias de Bivar
The moment you TRULY believe

But see, that's not what Paul says. Back up to post #47 and read what he says about our crucifixion with Christ.

It certainly is...You can't just cherry pick a verse out of the bunch (although you do) and build a doctrine on it...Read the rest of the chapter, and the one before it...

om 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

You have to know what that doctrine is to apply the verse you refer to...And it has nothing to do with water baptism...

102 posted on 03/05/2015 2:29:21 PM PST by Iscool
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