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To: MacNaughton
I 1st read about the Hebrew ritual of burial in Josh McDowell's 1972 Christian apologist best-seller, Evidence That Demands a Verdict while in grad school during 1979 - 1 year after the 1st modern physical/chemical examination of the Shroud of Turin. IIRC he stated that the burial shroud consisted of 2 parts - 1 for the body and the other for the head/face. The shroud for the body was wrapped around the corpse in the stereotypical fashion of Hollywood Egyptian mummies except the wrapping only covered from the ankles up to the armpits. The image on the Shroud of Turin does not correlate with this method.

Sorry, but the idea that Jewish burials mirrored Egyptian burials is completely false. Jews had no interest in preserving their bodies for posterity. Everything was targeted toward gathering deceased's bones unto the bones of his ancestors. Not ONE Jewish burial has ever been found in which the body was swaddled in strips of cloth ala a mummy. None. Zip, Zero. In fact, only one body has been found covered with a surviving shroud. . . and it was the remnants of a large sindon like the Shroud of Turin, in a grave from the 1st Century in Jerusalem and it was only found because the cemetery was hit by an earthquake before the family of the buried man could complete all the proper burial rituals, destroying the tomb. The idea that Jews buried their dead like Egyptians is a conflation of the strips mentioned in the Bible and the popularity of Egyptian Archaeology in the 1750s.

Jewish burial practices do not lend themselves to the winding of long strips of cloth. The 1st Century practices are that a body is bound with strips of cloth at the wrists, ankles, and around (about) the face to keep the body from flopping and the jaws closed. Potsherds or coins are placed on the eyes (the coins possibly were borrowed from Greek tradition) to keep them closed. The face cloth was rolled into a kerchief and used as a binding for the jaw, passed under the chin, behind the ears, and tied over the crown of the head. This is the cloth now referred to the Sudarium of Oviedo and is the cloth that may have been found "rolled up by itself" in the empty tomb when Jesus pulled it off from around His head and dropped it on His way out of the tomb. The shroud is described as a sindon, a large, fine linen cloth, bought by Joseph of Arimethea along with the spices and aromatic oils. The person's phylacteries are usually mounted on the body before completing the preparation. . . and the Shroud seems to show some signs they are present on the image. In general, though, for a normal Jewish burial of the period, the body is washed, anointed with oils, placed on a shelf in a niche in the tomb, along with all things that have the blood from the body on them, packed around with plant materials and herbs, and left to decompose. The body MUST be in the tomb before sundown on the day of death.

After a year, when all that is left is bones, the family returns to the tomb, collects the bones and puts them in a central repository in the tomb called an ossuary with all the bones of the persons ancestors (gathered unto his ancestors), freeing up the niche for another family member. A wrapping of long strips of cloth would entangle the bones and make this ritual very difficult. There is no mention of such a wrapping in any Jewish texts.

Some who hold to the "strip or bandage" canard claim that the sindon that Joseph bought was intended to be torn into those strips. They obviously have never attempted to tear Linen. It is not easy. . . and three-over-one twill is a LOT stronger than a simple one-over-one weave. There would have been no time at all for such a preparation.

The Sudarium of Oviedo has marks in the blood stains showing just such a rolling into a rope like form for tying. . . and indicates it was done diagonally. It also appears that it is a cloth that may have covered Jesus' face while He hung dead on the Cross, and then was used while the men who removed Him from the Cross, carried Him to the tomb, as their is a bloody hand print showing someone may have held His head by the face, supporting it while carrying His body. What more convenient cloth could they have used to press into service to bind the jaw closed in death?

42 posted on 02/28/2015 6:35:41 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Swordmaker
42 Sorry, but the idea that Jewish burials mirrored Egyptian burials is completely false. Jews had no interest in preserving their bodies for posterity. ...

McDowell never made any statements about Jewish burial rituals involving organ removal or embalming to preserve the corpse a la the Egyptian ritual.

Everything was targeted toward gathering deceased's bones unto the bones of his ancestors. ...

I was aware of the practice of them using ossuaries to store the bones after decomposition. What did they do with the ossuaries full of bones? Also, was there a socio-economic class distinction with the 1st century A.D. Jews who practiced this?

... The 1st Century practices are that a body is bound with strips of cloth at the wrists, ankles, and around (about) the face to keep the body from flopping and the jaws closed. Potsherds or coins are placed on the eyes (the coins possibly were borrowed from Greek tradition) to keep them closed. The face cloth was rolled into a kerchief and used as a binding for the jaw, passed under the chin, behind the ears, and tied over the crown of the head. ...

I had read of this also.

...The shroud is described as a sindon, a large, fine linen cloth, bought by Joseph of Arimethea ...

How was the shroud intended to be used during burial?

Your previous commentary about the hypothesized effects of bacteria contamination affecting the C14 tests was greatly appreciated.

60 posted on 02/28/2015 10:22:21 PM PST by MacNaughton (" ...it is better to die on the losing side than to live under Communism." Whitaker Chambers)
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