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To: SkyPilot

Wars, famines, etc have occurred for centuries and some read it as a history lesson for our time where we are just at the 6th seal..

They see 1260 days as years and some reformers pegged the papacy as the seat of the Antichrist and I suspect that Pope as the Antichrist or son of perditiin..

Some people see that fullfilmwnt of a 42 months or 1260 days or whatever breakdowm that point to 1798 as a day the papacy was delivered a ‘fatal’ head wound and was captured. 1260 years after they were given authority which would date back sometime 1260 years prior to 1798...

And you know, the history sense hasn’t really smacked that theory down as the pope and papacy have grown into prominence since then even though the pope had been captured way back then..

If somebody sees those seals occurring since the resurrection certainly billions have been ravaged over 2000 years..

It is another way to see parts of revelation.. like a history lesson that spans hundreds of years, not just 7...


127 posted on 03/01/2015 12:50:03 PM PST by delchiante
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To: delchiante
Well, that's quite a theory. I would say it makes much more literal sense (and I always take the Bible literally), that the seals are opened after the Rapture, and the seals are not opened over thousands and thousands of years.

Jesus saw and described the same events (Matthew 24:9) that He allowed John to see.

This makes much more sense (again, the Bible must be taken literally) than the theory you laid out about the 1260 days of Daniel really being years, the Pope, something about 1798 and the Pope, and then smattering in every war and famine in history, hitting the add key, then equals, and coming up with the conclusion that this is how God chose to reveal the End Times to us.

I could be wrong you know. I am not omniscient!

However, this author makes much more sense to me.

A great way to locate the timing of the rapture is by studying the breaking of the first six seals in Revelation 6. The Apostle John saw great trouble released by the breaking of each of the first five seals. Jesus saw the same events and called this the tribulation (Matthew 24:9). Both John and Jesus saw a time of trouble coming in the last days that would include wars, famines, earthquakes, persecution, and the murder of many saints, and the rise of the antichrist (Matthew 24:4-19). As bad as these things are, Jesus said these are merely the beginning of birth pangs (Matthew 24:8). Since there have always been wars, famines, earthquakes, persecution, and martyrs, we cannot conclude yet that both passages are referring to the same events. But both John and Jesus saw another event that only happens one time in all of human history, the rise of the antichrist. They both saw the actions of the antichrist during this time of trouble. Since there is only one antichrist, we can conclude they both saw the same events during the same time period. John saw a rider on a white horse receives a crown after the first seal is broken. The white horse is a symbol of conquest, but also represents a counterfeit of the Messiah who promised to return riding on a white horse. This false Messiah is the antichrist. After receiving his first crown he begins using his crown to gain more crowns (Revelation 6:1-2). This marks the beginning of his rise to power and the beginning of the tribulation period. Jesus saw the antichrist near the end of the tribulation period. He saw him entering the temple and standing in the holy place, which is what the prophet Daniel called the abomination that brings desolation (Matthew 24:15). This arrogant action is the pivotal point that brings an end to the time of birth pangs. The cup of the wrath of God is full and about to be poured out. The tribulation period ends and the great tribulation is about to begin.

128 posted on 03/01/2015 1:32:52 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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