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What About Henry VIII?
The Catholic Thing ^ | 2/26/15 | Cardinal George Pell

Posted on 02/27/2015 7:44:40 PM PST by marshmallow

Interestingly, Jesus’ hard teaching that “what therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder” (Mt 19:6) follows not long after his insistence to Peter on the necessity of forgiveness (see Mt 18:21–35).

It is true that Jesus did not condemn the adulterous woman who was threatened with death by stoning, but he did not tell her to keep up her good work, to continue unchanged in her ways. He told her to sin no more (see Jn 8:1–11).

One insurmountable barrier for those advocating a new doctrinal and pastoral discipline for the reception of Holy Communion is the almost complete unanimity of two thousand years of Catholic history on this point. It is true that the Orthodox have a long-standing but different tradition, forced on them originally by their Byzantine emperors, but this has never been the Catholic practice.

One might claim that the penitential disciplines in the early centuries before the Council of Nicaea were too fierce as they argued whether those guilty of murder, adultery, or apostasy could be reconciled by the Church to their local communities only once—or not at all.

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1 posted on 02/27/2015 7:44:40 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

This will answer the question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4OS17lqHiE


2 posted on 02/27/2015 7:48:18 PM PST by Fungi (Evolution is piece by piece over billions of years. At what point did a precursor become a human?)
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To: Fungi

Beat me to it!


3 posted on 02/27/2015 8:03:07 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: Fungi

Yep, Peter was the first one I thought of too.


4 posted on 02/27/2015 8:10:42 PM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered, all it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage)
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To: marshmallow
Silly Catholics. Go to a Protestant church and just sing. Don't worry about all this talk about this or that.
5 posted on 02/27/2015 8:57:11 PM PST by Cry if I Wanna (.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; Fungi

He beat EVERYBODY to it.


6 posted on 02/27/2015 8:57:48 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Cry if I Wanna

Find the right one and learn herpetology!


7 posted on 02/27/2015 9:05:13 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: dfwgator
All things considered, in the grand scheme of life, and in the face of our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ, it was really not important. Life goes on.
8 posted on 02/27/2015 9:09:29 PM PST by Fungi (Evolution is piece by piece over billions of years. At what point did a precursor become a human?)
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To: marshmallow

I WANT to have compassion for sinners, as I am guilty too often myself. All it takes to receive the Eucharist is repentance and a promise to change, with His help. The Devil’s pride prevented his repentance, hence his hell. Same is the option for all of us.

What stops us? Not the Church. Our unwillingness to struggle for an eternity with Christ.

The Church has Tribunals to determine the invalidity of separated marriages, already. This “Communion for the remarried divorcee” question is for those who couldn’t convince the Tribunal. But not all divorcees, only the remarried, the ones that went and remarried anyway, in daily contradiction to the Church and her Commandment on Adultery.

They want to continue the adultery but make it no longer a mortal sin, so they can receive not only Him in the Eucharist now, but to no longer have this mortal sin adding onto their soul daily and into eternity when they see Him later.

Much like homosexual marriage - to be able to receive Christ in the Eucharist now, in spite of current unrepented likewise “formally promised” mortal sin, and to be spiritually free to continue the mortally grave activity, unto eternity .

Anybody else want their pet mortal sin negated into eternity because the Cross is too hard and may offend your lover and new children?

That’s the pre-death purgatorial Cross - this is what remains when mortal sin evaporates after repentance and His Mercy. The emotional and physical cross of this earth. You’re still known as a murderer, though God forgives you. You still suffer time in jail, though God forgives you. Your past life as a married person or twice married person or prostitute or embezzler or stalker or thief still hounds you, but Jesus forgave you and loves you dearly in your up and down daily striving for sainthood. Pick up your Cross, join tit to Jesus, and walk people, that’s what being a good Christian is all about. Seeking Cross-less-ness is the sin that got us this particular Cross of ours in the first place!

The Eucharist isn’t what these folks need, they need the belief, then action. First action - repentance. Second, carry that Cross. Third - reception of the Eucharist. And our deep support in that new and high dignity they seek for themselves and the Eucharist.


9 posted on 02/27/2015 9:24:51 PM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: marshmallow

“Were the decisions that followed Henry VIII’s divorce totally unnecessary?”

Those decisions made by him in his Church of England? He was a heretic at that point.

Furthermore, it is said of Henry VIII that in his heart he always was and remained a Catholic. He just wanted things his own way.

So his teachings bent the rules to do it.


10 posted on 02/27/2015 10:33:06 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: marshmallow

Henry VIII led the English Church away from Rome...and considering its current condition, is undoubtedly so sorry he did.


11 posted on 02/27/2015 10:43:20 PM PST by RichInOC ("It profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world...but for Wales, Richard?")
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To: RichInOC

Henry VIII was also known as the original host of “Queen For A Day”.

;^)


12 posted on 02/28/2015 3:57:24 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I: am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: Beowulf9

Well, maybe...
But once he broke from the Church, he ran riot over all the Church holdings in England. He not only confiscated Church goods but proceeded to destroy and raze Church buildings, abbeys and monasteries...
You can still see many of the remaining ruins...true devastation.


13 posted on 02/28/2015 6:37:40 AM PST by matginzac
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To: Cry if I Wanna

How about go to a bible believing protestant church and hear the preached and taught wird of God, in english. Experience a little conviction seeing yourself illuminated in Gods wird, and realize you need Salvation from and in Christ.


14 posted on 02/28/2015 6:37:55 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: marshmallow

The newspapers are full of an astonishing hilarity about the rapidity with which hundreds or thousands of human families are being broken up by the lawyers; and about the undisguised haste of the “hustling judges” who carry on the work. It is a form of hilarity which would seem to recall the gaiety of a grave-digger in a city swept by a pestilence. But a few details occasionally flash by in the happy dance; from time to time the court is moved by a momentary curiosity about the causes of the general violation of oaths and promises; as if there might, here and there, be a hint of some sort of reason for ruining the fundamental institution of society. And nobody who notes those details, or considers those faint hints of reason, can doubt for a moment that masses of these men and women are now simply using divorce in the spirit of free-love. They are very seldom the sort of people who have once fallen tragically into the wrong place, and have now found their way triumphantly to the right place. They are almost always people who are obviously wandering from one place to another, and will probably leave their last shelter exactly as they have left their first. But it seems to amuse them to make again, if possible in a church, a promise they have already broken in practice and almost avowedly disbelieve in principle.

– The Superstition of Divorce (1920).


15 posted on 02/28/2015 8:03:20 AM PST by yldstrk
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To: matginzac

and he had murdered many faithful priests. He was a monster.


16 posted on 02/28/2015 9:16:23 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Yes, he was...
God bless those brave, stalwart, committed Founding Fathers for risking everything to separate us from these despots...we are SO blessed!


17 posted on 02/28/2015 12:05:20 PM PST by matginzac
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To: Beowulf9
and he had murdered many faithful priests. He was a monster.

Well Bloody Mary more than made up for that

18 posted on 02/28/2015 12:32:03 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Ok Barack.


19 posted on 02/28/2015 3:52:50 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: RnMomof7

Lol! Her sister reigned longer and killed more than her. Elizabeth. Tit for tat that your trying to get into is ackward. Yikes.


20 posted on 03/01/2015 12:54:48 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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