Repentance

My Utmost For His Higest ^ | Dec.7,2014 | Oswald Chambers

[verga]

Post 60, Matthew was written AFTER the Resurrection.

[Resettozero]

Matthew very clearly states that there is atonement to be made after Christ’s death and Resurrection.

Okay. Thanks.

(Where in Matthew's Gospel did you draw your erroneous intrepretation.)

[CynicalBear]

>>Matthew very clearly states that there is atonement to be made after Christ’s death and Resurrection.<<

Not by man. Christ was the only and complete atonement for sin.

[RnMomof7]

So you are saying the Bible is wrong, or didn't Jesus and Matthew get the memo?

Could we please have your citation ??

Here's the problem verga ..the gospels are actually OLD testament.. as they are retrospect on the life and work of Christ ..they are for the most part covering the time and work of Christ under the OT law .

Jesus had to keep that OT law PERFECTLY... but the NT started on Pentecost...

[Resettozero]

...but the NT started on Pentecost...

Pretty amazing, that. Nine o-clock in the morning and they begin speaking in a way or ways that make the ancestors of today's Roman Catholics accuse them of being drunk on new wine. Yet, everybody from everywhere heard them glorifying God in THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL DOWN-HOME DIALECT!

Ain't that somethin', y'all?

[verga]

Go back up the thread till you see the scripture from Matthew I posted. You just let every one know that you leaped to a conclusion with out following the conversation.

[Resettozero]

You just let every one know that you leaped to a conclusion with out following the conversation.

Okay. Thanks for your help.

[verga]

Not by man. Christ was the only and complete atonement for sin.

My last post on the subject: Then why does Matthew record Christ (And He knew that He was to die for our sins) say that WE smut pay every last cent?

[verga]

Could we please have your citation ??

The Citation is given up thread.

Here's the problem verga ..the gospels are actually OLD testament.. as they are retrospect on the life and work of Christ ..they are for the most part covering the time and work of Christ under the OT law .

Jesus had to keep that OT law PERFECTLY... but the NT started on Pentecost...

Am I understanding correctly that you are saying the Gospels, written after the death Resurrection and Ascension, are really OT?

Please poll your fellow non-Catholics and see how they feel about that statement.

[Resettozero]

Am I understanding correctly that you are saying the Gospels, written after the death Resurrection and Ascension, are really OT?

Whether OT or NT, those words are Spirit and they are LIFE.

Thanks for your time today, verga; don't want to keep you here more than you feel you should.

[Iscool]

Christ instituted a sacrament covering this subject...The sacrament of reconciliation or penance brings Catholics back to a state of grace after forgiving their sins when they confess those sins and show true repentance for them.

Jesus paid the penance, in full, for everyone that comes to him...

[verga]

Rnmomof7 comment post 64: Here's the problem verga ..the gospels are actually OLD testament.. as they are retrospect on the life and work of Christ ..they are for the most part covering the time and work of Christ under the OT law .

Do you agree with this statement?

[CynicalBear]

>>Then why does Matthew record Christ (And He knew that He was to die for our sins) say that WE smut pay every last cent?<<

Rightly dividing the word of God seems foreign to Catholics. Matthew 5:25-26 is talking about settling disputes or matters HERE ON EARTH with each other prior to making a sacrifice. The "sacrifice" He was talking about was the sacrifice of the Old Testament covenant.

[verga]

Rn mom of 7's statement post #64:Here's the problem verga ..the gospels are actually OLD testament.. as they are retrospect on the life and work of Christ ..they are for the most part covering the time and work of Christ under the OT law .

1) Do any of you agree with this?

2) Is this understanding held by non-Catholics?

3) Have you seen this before or been taught this, and if so where, when, and by whom?

[Alex Murphy]

Rnmomof7's statement post #64:
Here's the problem verga ..the gospels are actually OLD testament.. as they are retrospect on the life and work of Christ ..they are for the most part covering the time and work of Christ under the OT law .

1) Do any of you agree with this?
2) Is this understanding held by non-Catholics?
3) Have you seen this before or been taught this, and if so where, when, and by whom?

Re verga's post #56, which started this sidebar:

[Cynical Bear:] And Christ's sacrifice on that cross paid every last cent owed.

[verga:] So you are saying the Bible is wrong, or didn't Jesus and Matthew get the memo?

Do Catholics believe that Christ's sacrifice on the cross didn't pay every last cent owed? Or is that belief just yours?

[redleghunter]

We both received the same Catholic raising and education growing up. So I know you know the context to RNMomof7’s comments. Yes I read the previous posts.

The New Covenant is in Jesus Christ’s Blood. So to put it more clearly EVERY Gospel account BEFORE the Cross and Empty Tomb must be seen in their light. So more accurately, yes the ministry of Christ as recorded in the Gospels is during the Old Covenant but the events of His death and resurrection and glorification define the New Covenant.

The Gospels are rightly placed in the NT canon as Christ’s birth, life and ministry all point to the Cross and Empty Tomb.

[verga]

Nice try at twisting my words, Post the scripture I quoted, so you don’t appear more duplicitous.

[verga]

That is not what she said at all. I read nothing into her comments and took them at face value.
If she meant something else than she needs to clarify it.

[Alex Murphy]

Nice try at twisting my words

LOL I posted your words verbatim. They were twisted when I got there!

Post the scripture I quoted, so you don’t appear more duplicitous.

There was no quote of Scripture in your post. Maybe it's the splitting up of your thoughts across multiple posts that comes off as duplicitous.

[verga]

MY quote referred directly to another post and any one with an IQ over room temperature can see ... Oh I apologize.. I forgot who I was speaking to.