Is The Roman Catholic View of the Eucharist Supported by the Historical Evidence?

In Plain Site ^ | Jason Engwer

[HossB86]

So back to the post....do we still need to offer God a sacrifice?

Yes.

So... Christ -- God the Son -- lied.

Nice to know that the Roman Catholic Cult is exactly that -- a cult.

On the cross, Christ said, "It is finished."

Hoss

[CommerceComet]

To you, it may be...to 1,300,000,000 Catholics, and to innumerable Catholics over 20 CENTURIES, it is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ under the appearance of bread and wine....How sad that you can't comprehend the truth...

Reconcile with these words:

"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. (Matthew 7:13)

Truth isn't determined by poll or consensus.

[ealgeone]

Will you be starting an anti-Judaism effort, too, to round out your learning and spiritual growth, or will you just whip venom for the “catholics?” Surely, that is important thing impacting your life as well.

I will evaluate everything against Christianity. If it doesn't measure up to the teachings of Christ, there will probably be discussion about it.

[ealgeone]

>“You might check out how many articles have been posted by NKP_Vet”<

Show me an article I have posted that was specifically putting down protestants? You can’t. I post articles about my Catholic faith, which of course in turn is always viciously attacked by the usual haters on FR. Same old garbage, different day. It never changes.

And the reading skills of catholicism never cease to amaze me.

Go back and read the thread....did I say you posted anything putting down protestants? Man, catholics have thin skin.

If you don't like comments made on your postings, hide them behind the causus thread. Then you and all the catholics can hide in your own little world.

It's that plain and simple.

Until then, this is FREE REPUBLIC where we have a right to comment on whatever we want.

[CommerceComet]

Yes the protestant way - believe whatever you want.

I'm sure glad that Catholics never misrepresent Protestant views. (/sarcasm)

[LurkingSince'98]

The facts are that Protestants, Wiccans, Buddhists, atheists, Conservatives are ALL to blame as well.

But NONE of them are out in front of abortion mills day-in day-out trying for sidewalk conversions of heart of the poor (often underage) women who are often pressured by the very men (who impregnated them) to get the abortion.

I speak for all the Catholic sidewalk counselors who are daily on the line out front of the abortion mills.

Unless you’ve been out front how do you even have standing to open your mouth in criticism??

[LurkingSince'98]

I am a Roman Catholic because I believe it is the one, true faith.

I have no reservations about it.

It is the wonderful thing about Catholicism, prots can rail on and on and not make one jot of change in our faith.

It is like your posting to a brick wall.

Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam

[LurkingSince'98]

Like I said prots can believe anything they want - it is all about your own ‘personal interpretation of Scripture’.

You can believe it is a misrepresentation of prot beliefs, but I am repeating exactly what I have been told by prots of all denominations.

AMDG

[CynicalBear]

First of all you didn't answer my question.

>>These same words have been thrown around for hundreds of years.<<

Satan hasn't gone away nor has he stopped trying to pervert what God said. He won't until Christ defeats him at the end of this age.

>>How about we focus on the fact that Jesus Christ died for all of us; as a common theme instead?<<

Read what Christ had to say to the 7 churches in the beginning of Revelation. He didn't say just focus on your similarities.

>>Islam’s threat and the destruction of our Constitution are the things that should be discussed on FR rather than this stuff.<<

Muslims can kill the body. False teaching can kill the soul. I doubt I have to tell you which is worse and should be focused on first.

[ealgeone]

Like I said prots can believe anything they want - it is all about your own ‘personal interpretation of Scripture’.

I've seen a number of catholics on this site disagree with the rcc.

So what you're saying is that every Sunday, at every service around the world, every priest is saying EXACTLY the same thing? No deviation whatsoever.

Any posting or article by a catholic priest has been cleared with Rome? Every one?

[CynicalBear]

>>Doesn’t answer mine either — I think it’s that Cultic training —<<

That plus if it's not on their list from the "church" they are lost.

[CommerceComet]

Now if we take that last sentence, which obviously referred to what He had just done, and diagram it as we were taught to do in the 4th grade we will come upon this: the sentence is imperative therefore the subject (you) is understood, "do" is the verb...This.. is the subject of the sentence....You do this....is a complete sentence....you do this.....then He tells you why to do this....to remember Him by.....you do THIS in remembrance of Me.....THIS refers to what He had just done......transubstantiated bread and wine into His Body, Blood Soul and Divinity while retaining its appearance as that of bread and wine......see how easy it is when you READ and pay attention??

Despite your explanation (and ignoring the condescending attitude), why would anyone understand it that way? It seems that you are forcing the command to say what you want it to say, not what it says.

If in normal conversation, I were to say to you "do this." Your immediate response would be "do what?" You would expect the command to be followed by instructions, not the other way around.

You stated correctly that the "you" is inferred in the phrase "do this." If "this" refers to transubstantiation, do you have that power to turn the bread into the physical body of Christ and the wine into the physical blood of Christ? If I follow your logic that is what is implied. If, on the other hand, I understand the sentence in its natural reading and the "this" refers to the taking of the elements, I am perfectly capable of taking the bread and wine with remembrance of Him.

[ealgeone]

I am a Roman Catholic because I believe it is the one, true faith. I have no reservations about it. It is the wonderful thing about Catholicism, prots can rail on and on and not make one jot of change in our faith. It is like your posting to a brick wall. Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam

I am a Christian because it is the one, true faith. I have no reservations about it.

There is a difference.

[LurkingSince'98]

There can only be ONE TRUTH

So one of us is living the UNTRUTH.

For the Greater Glory of God

[LurkingSince'98]

ignoring the condescending attitude

dont ignore the condesecending attitude

If the shoe fits - wear it

AMDG

[CommerceComet]

You can believe it is a misrepresentation of prot beliefs, but I am repeating exactly what I have been told by prots of all denominations.

I suspect that is more what you wanted to hear than what was actually expressed. Having run in Protestant circles for 30+ years, I have noted no such sentiment EVER. No true Protestant feels they have the authority to "believe whatever you want." We are constrained by God's Word without central human authority telling us what it says through poor exegesis and fallible tradition.

[LurkingSince'98]

Well then you must have never been on the pre- post- anti- millenial threads.

You need to get out more - cause I am quoting from protestants themselves.

AMDG

[CommerceComet]

If the shoe fits - wear it

One post addressed the logic of the statements made, the other questioned people's ability to read at a 4th grade level. Perhaps, I should have been more blunt and called a spade a spade and called him out on childish insults but I tried a more tactful approach and labeled it condescension. I was hoping for a real response without the poor attitude shown in the first post.

[CynicalBear]

>>You need to get out more - cause I am quoting from protestants themselves.<<

I don't suppose we should wait for you to show documented proof of those allegations right?