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To: metmom

Au contraire! The doctrine of sola scripture is self contradictory. It states that the Bible is the ultimate authority but it is not found in the Bible. Catholics do not believe in sola scriptura and thus are not bound by its strictures of that doctrine. So from our viewpoint the fact that something is not mentioned in the Bible does not immediately negate its correctness. You have attempted to create a false dilemma.

I asked you what rituals you had in mind and you listed a whole lot of stuff. Only two were rituals, mass and confirmation. The term mass came from “missa,” to go. That is where, at the end of the mass the priest says Let us go and serve the Lord. Now, the mass is how Catholics worship. A lot of its wording comes directly from the Bible. Since you have animosity towards Catholics and its practices, tell me how you believe Christian worship should be conducted and how that is mandated by the Bible. The word trinity does not occur in the Bible but the concept is embedded in the words of Jesus.

The word “Eucharist” may not appear in English translations but I believe it does in the early Greek manuscripts. After all, it means “thanksgiving,” as in, He broke bread and gave thanks.

You state the word “crucifix” does not appear in the Bible. This is just too silly an statement. The Bible clearly states that Jesus died on the cross. The crucifix merely portrays the Biblical occurrence.

You state mortal and venial sin are not mentioned in the Bible. However, the consequence of grave sins and sins that are less grave are in the Psalms. One of the psalms says something like, “Oh God, protect me from grave sins. If you knew your Bible better you would not have made this silly assertion.

If you knew your Bible better you would not have list the real presence. Read John Chapter 6. It is clear that what Jesus is talking about is the real presence of his body and that is why so many disciples left him. Likewise, transubstantiation is the doctrine of how bread and wine become the body and blood of Jesus. Again if you knew Chapter 6 of John you would not have listed that word.


317 posted on 02/15/2015 11:55:04 AM PST by rcofdayton (.)
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To: rcofdayton
It states that the Bible is the ultimate authority but it is not found in the Bible.

Rome states that IT is the ultimate authority but that is not found in the Bible or in traditions; either.

318 posted on 02/15/2015 11:58:41 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rcofdayton
I asked you what rituals you had in mind and you listed a whole lot of stuff.

Where and when did you do that?

You state mortal and venial sin are not mentioned in the Bible. However, the consequence of grave sins and sins that are less grave are in the Psalms. One of the psalms says something like, “Oh God, protect me from grave sins. If you knew your Bible better you would not have made this silly assertion.

Show me where Scripture states that the consequences for any sin is different from any other sin.

If you knew your Bible better you would not have list the real presence.

Show us where the term *real presence* is found in Scripture. If *sola Scriptura* is disallowed because it's not explicitly found in those words in Scripture, the so is all the rest of Catholic teaching, such as the *real presence* disqualified.

323 posted on 02/15/2015 12:43:49 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rcofdayton
The doctrine of sola scripture is self contradictory. It states that the Bible is the ultimate authority but it is not found in the Bible.

So?

If it WERE found in the Bible; then Rome would be QUICK to cry...

Circular Logic!

Rome has NO problem with a lot of IT's doctrine not being found in Scripture; so why the oneway whine about Sola??

332 posted on 02/16/2015 4:57:49 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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