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To: metmom
"Believers are not obligated to follow lockstep any one church's interpretation the same way Catholics are with their CCC. It's that freedom thing that seems to so irritate RC's."

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metmom, something can't be true and not true at the same time. That is logically impossible. Either it is okay to wear jewelry, or it isn't. You can't have it both ways.

That same principle holds true for all of God's Holy Truths.

(Some of those questions are the most important questions a person can ask. For example, if the Protestants who, using sola scriptura, believe that it is possible for a person to lose their salvation are right, all those Protestants who believe the opposite using their own sola scriptura may be putting their eternal souls in grave danger. Do you see why the answer to that disputed question is so vitally important? They can't both be right. Either you can lose your salvation, or you can't, and some Protestants (using sola scriptura) believe and teach that you can lose your salvation, and some Protestants (using sola scriptura) believe and teach that you can't lose your salvation. They can't both be right, and that is an extremely important question, in the big scheme of things, as the fate of a person's soul may depend on it.)

That sheds light on the big problem with depending on sola scriptura. The contradictory, conflicting, incompatible, mutually exclusive teachings and beliefs that sola scriptura gives to different Protestants, means that some Protestants using sola scriptura will be right and correct in their beliefs, and that some Protestants using sola scriptura will be wrong and incorrect in their beliefs, and sola scriptura provides no way for either group to determine with certainty which group is right, and God help those who get it wrong through sola scriptura.

(Now I've got to go, so I'll bid you goodnight, and may God bless you metmom.)

565 posted on 02/15/2015 10:25:12 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest

Obviously, the contradictory doctrinal positions do not arise from the Word of God, but from man made traditions added to His Word, convoluting doctrine with false belief.

The Word of God doesn’t require tradition to maintain its integrity.


566 posted on 02/15/2015 11:55:58 PM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Heart-Rest
So is there salvation found outside the RCC or not?

V2 changed that.

How could it not be true for 1900 + years and now it is?

Something cannot both be true and not true.

Does truth change?

That sheds light on the big problem with depending on sola scriptura. The contradictory, conflicting, incompatible, mutually exclusive teachings and beliefs that sola scriptura gives to different Protestants, means that some Protestants using sola scriptura will be right and correct in their beliefs, and that some Protestants using sola scriptura will be wrong and incorrect in their beliefs, and sola scriptura provides no way for either group to determine with certainty which group is right, and God help those who get it wrong through sola scriptura.

That kind of reasoning can be used against Catholicism as well.

What about the EO who Catholics claim are Catholic?

Their beliefs differ significantly from the RCC.

How can there be two truths?

These differences are so important that there has been no reconciliation in nearly a thousand years after the split. The Eastern Orthodox differ with Roman Catholicism on these issues:

The Holy Spirit (the filioque)

In EO - The third person of the Trinity, proceeding from the Father alone as in the original Nicene Creed. The Father sends the Spirit at the intercession of the Son. The Son is therefore an agent only in the procession of the Spirit.

In RC - 'When the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, He is not separated from the Father, He is not separated from the Son'.

Mary - Assumption and Immaculate conception of

EO - The Assumption is accepted and it is agreed that Mary experienced physical death, but the Immaculate conception is rejected. Orthodox belief is that the guilt of original sin is not transmitted from one generation to the next, thus obviating the need for Mary to be sinless.

RC - Both are dogmas of the church. The church has not as yet decided whether Mary actually experienced Physical death. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception states that Mary, was at conception 'preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin' and should not be confused with the virgin birth.

Pope - Authority of

EO - As the Bishop of Rome, he has a primacy of honour when Orthodox, not of jurisdiction. At present, his primacy is not effective as the papacy needs to be reformed in accordance with Orthodoxy. His authority is thus no greater or lesser than any of his fellow Bishops in the church.

RC - The Pope is the 'Vicar of Christ' i.e. the visible head of the church on earth and spiritual successor of St. Peter. He has supreme authority (including that over church councils) within Christendom (The Power of the keys).

Pope - Infallibility of

EO - Papal Infallibility is rejected. The Holy Spirit acts to guide the church into truth through (for example) ecumenical councils. This Orthodoxy recognises the first seven ecumenical councils (325-787) as being infallible.

RC - The Pope is infallible when, through the Holy Spirit, he defines a doctrine on faith and morals that is to be held by the whole church. This is a dogma and is therefore a required belief within Catholicism.

Purgatory

EO - An intermediate state between earth and heaven is recognised, but cleansing and purification occur in this life, not the next.

RC - A place of cleansing and preparation for heaven. Also a place where the punishment due to unremitted venial sins may be expiated.

I'd say these were the "biggies", but other differences also exist. These are explained here.

http://christianityinview.com/comparison.html

Clearly Catholicism is by no means exempt from the what Catholics consider the inherent weakness of sola Scriptura that they seem to think disqualifies it.

And areas of dispute are recognized in Scripture by God.

Show us anywhere where God demands lockstep adherence to formal doctrinal statements to become a Christian.

567 posted on 02/16/2015 5:36:01 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Heart-Rest
I thought you left already!?!

Typical catholic: say one thing and do another!

571 posted on 02/16/2015 7:13:16 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Heart-Rest

Some... one of the best words ever invented!


572 posted on 02/16/2015 7:13:42 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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