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The Revelation of Jesus Christ (NOT the book of revelations)

Chapter22

6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 21:5 He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making ... ... Then He who was seated on the throne said, "I am re-creating all things." And He added, "Write down these words, for they are trustworthy and true." ...

Revelation 1:19 "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now ... ... Therefore, write down what you have seen, what is, and what is going to happen after these things. ...

Ezekiel 43:11 and if they are ashamed of all they have done, make ... ... Tell them about all its rules and regulations. Then write these things down for them so that they can remember its design and follow all its rules. ...

Where did Christ tell anyone that His Religion would be based on a book?

Couple of errors.

First off, Jesus didn't start a religion.

He already had one in the OT Law.

He came to set us free from that, not put us into bondage to a new one.

There is no law that can give life.

Second, better that our faith be based on the truth written down, preserved for all eternity without change, than the whims of human, fallible men.

What with the way Catholicism has changed and morphed over the centuries, there is simply no credibility to the claim that Catholics make that the church is infallible. It simply cannot be trusted to be consistent.

>>But where did Christ tell anyone to write anything down?<<

Exodus 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Exodus 24:4 Moses then wrote down everything the LORD had said.

Jeremiah 30:2 "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you.

Jeremiah 36:6 So you go to the house of the LORD on a day of fasting and read to the people from the scroll the words of the LORD that you wrote as I dictated. Read them to all the people of Judah who come in from their towns.

Isaiah 30:8 Go now, write it on a tablet for them, inscribe it on a scroll, that for the days to come it may be an everlasting witness.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1 John 1:14 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. Not only to be written but to be read as well.

1 Thessalonians 5:27 I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

>>Where did Christ tell anyone that His Religion would be based on a book?<<

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book (βιβλίον - biblion - a book), and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book (βιβλίον - biblion - a book), If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book (βιβλίον - biblion - a book): And if any man shall take away from the words of the book (βιβλίον - biblion - a book) of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book (βιβλίον - biblion - a book).

1 Corinthians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

But where did Christ tell anyone to write anything down?

OK, if you want to use the specious red letter hermeneutic, the same place God told the many prophets and psalmist to write the many prophecies and psalms that the Lord invoked in substantiating His claims.

And the same place He said for the church to write down oral tradition and encyclicals.

But at least as regards the Scriptures, your argument means that you deny that the Holy Spirit was told by Christ to indeed write the Scriptures, and which your argument renders superflous.

Where did Christ tell anyone that His Religion would be based on a book?

By substantiating His Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and power, for the Word of God/the Lord was usually written, and as written it became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing/establishing Truth claims, as is abundantly evidenced , including oral preaching.

Thus the Lord did not make oral tradition the standard, but, "beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself,...And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written , and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:..." (Luke 24:44-46) (Luke 24:27)

Oral preaching has its place, including that of enjoining obedience to what is preached, but all such preaching is subject to testing by the established wholly inspired supremely powerful word of God existing in a testable, objective form, which the Scriptures unique are, and Rome's "infallible" decrees are not.

And thus the question is where did Christ tell anyone that His Religion would be based on the premise of perpetual magisterial infallibility, a novelty never seen nor necessary in Scripture in order to discern Truth from error and preserve Faith.

But where did Christ tell anyone to write anything down?

Well I have to ask. Do you believe the Holy Spirit inspired the NT authors to write the gospels and epistles? And if you do believe such then do you see the purpose.

However I already pointed out the regard Jesus Christ had for the written Word. He used it to rebuke Satan. He used the written word to instruct the disciples on His righteousness. Jesus also said:

Matthew 24:35King James Version (KJV)

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

You know what, Jesus was right. His Words did not and shall not pass away. Why? The were written down.

Also, another poster already pointed out to you the Risen and Glorified Christ instructed John to write down the letters to the 7 churches.

Revelation 1:

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

So there's that. First rule of holes…stop digging. Next you will be saying Jesus could not read. Hope you don't go there.

Where did Christ tell anyone that His Religion would be based on a book?

Exodus 32:32-33
But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.” But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.

Daniel 12:1
“At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.

Philippians 4:3
And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:11-15
"Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works. Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Revelation 21:27

Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.