Posted on 02/02/2015 3:08:42 PM PST by Morgana
Viola!
You have just shown the reaction of Protestantism to the claims that ROME makes!
(Unless you put one in a blender and press CHOP.)
There is that 'angel of light' thing.
It is not an attempt at cruelty, but at indoctrination in the world where Catholicism is often contradicted by plain, biblical teaching.
Why did you change the subject to immigration?
Now you’re back on voting again. Why do you keep changing the subject?
When Art jumped on his Mother of GOD bandwagon; you made no complaint.
I just LOVE your use of quotes to try to insert an invisible needle into the haystack!
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
It sure seems to HERE...
Matthew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
Huh?
I'm not at all following what you mean, for I cannot see how without importing into the conversation something which I did not knowingly say, how what I did say could lead to a conclusion which results in Jesus not dying at His crucifixion --- on the cross.
Would it come from some conceptualization that "God" cannot die...thus if Christ be God, then He could not die?
Is that it?
If so, I *think* I see what you may mean, yet He did die. The Incarnate Christ, He who existed with the Father before the foundation of the earth, the man who we know as Jesus was recognized to be at the crucifixion and a short time later also, to be, ah, dead as a doornail, as that saying goes.
Not to be bothersome to you (and hopefully not too bothersome to the rest of the forum)
As it is written (I Peter 1:20);
and as put together from this web page;
As far as I know, He did come to die on the cross, in the precise manner in which He did, taking the sins of the world upon Himself, being both the perfect Lamb without spot or blemish, and being made a scapegoat by the priests also, "it is better for one man to die than an entire nation" (John 11:50) slain outside of the city (as were scapegoats, according to the laws of the Jews) and in doing so, Himself condemning (judging) sin in the flesh, each and every kind, including the "religious" type of sin and hypocrisy.
But then I take it you know these things...and so do wonder as to your question. Please forgive my digression from narrowly considering that query. Honestly, I was at a loss to understand how Jesus "not" dying could have been a part of what I said.
Perhaps some confused Muslim who hates America will find this page...I just made some minor 'keywords' which may lead one of them here?
Eve knew the 'tree' was in the MIDDLE of the garden, and that you shouldn't TOUCH it; too!
You'd better believe things that Rome teaches about...
...the WAFER!
 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, ' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.' |
Salt Lake City says...
Mormons deny the virgin birth of Mary:
The Mormon Church Teaches That: |
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How can Mormons claim they believe in the virgin birth if God had sex with Mary? |
They change the definition of the word virgin. Mormons feel that they can still use the phrase "virgin birth" because God was an IMMORTAL being who had sex with Mary, not a mere mortal man. And this is exactly what Bruce McConkie, (top LSD theologian, and one of the Mormon 12 Apostles, died in 1985) said:
In other words, if Joseph had sex with Mary she would not have been a virgin, but since God had sex with Mary, she remains a virgin.
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B. Gods Must Have Wives
C. Mary And God Were Married
D. Joseph was Her Second Husband
E. The Bible Is Wrong
F. God Is A Man
G. An Act Of The Flesh
H. Not Of The Holy Ghost
I. Bruce R. McConkie, deceased member of the 12 Apostles (d.1985) and leading LDS theologian, writes in Mormon Doctrine:
I'd venture to say the BECAUSE is...
Catholics say, "Hail Mary, Mother of GOD...
a zillion times a day; and their brains REFUSE to let go of it!
So?
What do you describe LUTHER as?
Do you want BOTH of the Mormon views on this??
Trinity: found in the Book of MORMON ----------- rejected in the Doctrines and Covenants
Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29) ...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44) ...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21) ...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7) ...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5) ...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8) According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest. (Section 121:32) And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them--Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths--then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. (Section 132:18-20) Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. (Section 132:37)
"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)
"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)
Are you admitting to being poorly catechized?
Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.
Jesus was walking along one day, when He came upon a group of people surrounding a lady of ill repute. It was obvious that the crowd was preparing to stone her, so Jesus made His now-famous statement, "Let the person who has no sin cast the first stone."
The crowd was shamed and one by one began to turn away. All of a sudden, a lovely little woman made her way through the crowd. Finally getting to the front, she tossed a pebble towards the woman.
Jesus looks over and says, "I really hate it when you do that, Mom."
Is this the best that the adherents of TRADITION ALSO can do, ridicule beliefs they disagree with?
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