“Sorry, pal. Your attempt at twisting the conversation doesn’t play here.”
Sometimes I think anti-Catholics have little or no conscience. After all, how else can someone say the quoted comment above and yet have just said the following completely fallacious comment below as well:
“Christ didn’t start Christianity....wow....that’s revealing.”
And there’s this obvious misrepresentation:
“You implication that anyone not in the roman catholic church is not a Christian is ludicrous and goes against the Word as well.”
I never once implied, EVER OR ANYWHERE, that those not in the Church cannot be Christian. The catechism makes no such claim and neither do I. I have made this clear numerous times. None of that will stop an anti-Catholic from saying otherwise, however.
And here is another misrepresentation:
“Not surprising for catholicism though.”
So it isn’t I who am at fault now - it’s the whole faith. And this, even though just as I just said, the catechism makes plain the exact opposite.
“If you would have some direct downright proof that Catholicism is what Protestants make it to be, something which will come up to the mark, you must lie... To Protestantism False Witness is the principle of propagation.” (John Henry Newman, Lecture 4. True Testimony Insufficient for the Protestant View)
yeah, right. your pope sure did and by de-facto you have to agree with him.
“Christ didn’t start Christianity....wow....that’s revealing.”
It is instructional that you continue to refer to yourself as catholic....not Christian.
But let's clear this matter up on my statement above just so the record is clear.
From post 197:
you: We have Christ and the Holy Spirit.
me: Hate to break this news to you but all Christians have Christ and the Holy Spirit. So get off your high horse.
From post #201:
you: Hate to break it to you but Christ only founded one Church, and it isn’t your sect.
me: Christ didn't start Christianity....wow....that's revealing.
From post 249
me:“Christ didn’t start Christianity....wow....that’s revealing.”
you: You believe Christ didn’t start Christianity? It must be you because I said nothing of the sort. Mind you, I would not be surprised to see an anti-Catholic yet again resort to less than honest comments about what a Catholic would say.
This above statement by you is an obvious attempt to twist what I was stating in response to you. So there is falsehood number one against you.
Then you posted this falsehood in post 254:
I never once implied, EVER OR ANYWHERE, that those not in the Church cannot be Christian. The catechism makes no such claim and neither do I. I have made this clear numerous times. None of that will stop an anti-Catholic from saying otherwise, however.
from post 201 you: Hate to break it to you but Christ only founded one Church, and it isn’t your sect.
Sure sounds like you making that implication to me....and anyone else who can read. So there is falsehood number two against you.
But you also deny the words of your pope boniface (1302) Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.
Doesn't matter what your catechism says because of what boniface has said above. And as a catholic you HAVE to obey the pope. You have no choice. Welcome to the collective.
So now you've committed a third falsehood by denying what catholicism teaches. Maybe you have your own little sect of catholicism which allows for your own interpretation of things?
Dude, you best run to your priest!
Anyone with an eighth grade reading level will understand the flow of the conversation. You stated Christ founded only one church and that my "sect" wasn't it.
Your implication is the "church" you're referring to is the roman catholic church and that all others are "sects". Your meaning is clear. If you are not a member of the rcc, then you are not a Christian...or more likely in your view a catholic as catholicism sure seems to trump Christianity in the mind of the catholic.
As a Christian who most assuredly is not a member of the roman catholic church, that is an insulting and inaccurate statement made by you.
That is why I said “Christ didn’t start Christianity....wow....that’s revealing.”
If you're understanding the flow of the conversation I am accusing you of denying that Christ started Christianity...not the other way around.
It has been my observation that catholics seem to place more emphasis on being a member of the rcc, rather than following Christ.
Rarely does a catholic refer to themselves as a Christian. Ya'll usually identify as catholic. That has been my experience with other catholics I've encountered over the years.
I identify as a Christian....a follower of Christ. I am a member of a church, but that isn't what saves me anymore than being a member of a golf course makes me a great golfer.
So I ask you....who do you follow? Christ or the pope? There is a difference.