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To: vladimir998
“Catholic anti-Protestants ....[conclude] Jesus and the Apostles were liars when they said such things as:”

And yet not a single Catholic here has ever denied any of the verses you posted nor ever once claimed that Jesus or the Apostles were liars about anything. And I would find it hard to believe you don’t know that fact either. So I have no idea who these “Catholic anti-Protestants” you refer to are since no Catholic here has ever done what you just asserted.

I wouldn't normally use the phrase "Catholic anti-Protestants", but it seemed a fitting counter to those who frequently claim "Protestant anti-Catholics" are all those who voice their rejection of Roman Catholicism's many unscriptural doctrines. If the shoe fits...

One such doctrine is that which you mentioned concluding "invincible ignorance" was a get-out-of-hell free card which made ALL the Scriptures that contradicted that conclusion null. When people do that - ignore God's word - they essentially call all those whose words are recorded in Scripture to be liars. If there is no other name whereby we must be saved but Jesus, if there is no condemnation to those who believe in Christ but all those who do not believe are condemned already, then how is it God would permit into heaven a sinner who did not receive the light God has revealed to all mankind and invites to see further? How could God allow a sin-stained soul into heaven? How could God permit a man's own conscience - which He says is deceitfully wicked - to dictate what is "good" enough? How is it the cruel death of Christ upon the cross for the sins of the world can be shoved aside so that a man can claim he never knew and be permitted into the dwelling place of the Most High God? To clarify - which I shouldn't HAVE to do - those who truly are incapable of realizing their sin state and need for a Savior (i.e.; babies, small children, the mentally handicapped) are saved by the grace of God and the blood of Jesus Christ. Suffer the little children to come unto me and hinder them not, for of such is the kingdom of God. (Mark 10:14)

So, no, I see such ignoring, wrangling and twisting of God's word in order to pacify what one sees as impossible for God to do as the same thing as calling Jesus and the Apostles liars. It is saying they were not being truthful. It says they were leaving something out. With God, ALL things are possible!

159 posted on 01/26/2015 12:06:12 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

What I said still stands: And yet not a single Catholic here has ever denied any of the verses you posted nor ever once claimed that Jesus or the Apostles were liars about anything. And I would find it hard to believe you don’t know that fact either. So I have no idea who these “Catholic anti-Protestants” you refer to are since no Catholic here has ever done what you just asserted.

Catholics disagree with Protestant heretical opinions - not verses from scripture.


192 posted on 01/26/2015 2:46:24 PM PST by vladimir998
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