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To: CA Conservative
"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23)

Do you have any evidence that this sentence was written in order to resolve the question of whether Mary was sinless? Is Paul discussing Mary's alleged sinlessness at this point in Romans?

Is Jesus a sinner? The verse says ALL have sinned.

Are infants sinners? Are the retarded sinners? What sins have they committed? The verse says ALL have sinned.

In Luke Chapter 1, Mary refers to "God my savior". Someone without sin has no need of a savior.

The statement, "Someone without sin has no need of a savior" is a gratuitous assumption.

The Catholic Church teaches that Mary was preserved from Original Sin by the grace of Christ's death and resurrection. I.e., Mary was saved by Jesus Christ. Thus, there is no contradiction between Mary's sinlessness and her having "a savior."

910 posted on 01/26/2015 11:04:47 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
Thus, there is no contradiction between Mary's sinlessness and her having "a savior."

Except that if you're sinless you need NO savior.

944 posted on 01/27/2015 5:58:52 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan; CA Conservative
>>Is Jesus a sinner? The verse says ALL have sinned.<<

Did Jesus take the sins of the world upon Himself? Yes He did and that's why He had to die. Now, tell us who's sins Mary had to die for.

981 posted on 01/27/2015 8:19:43 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Do you have any evidence that this sentence was written in order to resolve the question of whether Mary was sinless? Is Paul discussing Mary's alleged sinlessness at this point in Romans?

There was no question of Mary's sinlessness...It's a non bible issue...All have sinned...

Are infants sinners? Are the retarded sinners? What sins have they committed? The verse says ALL have sinned.

Why do you even question it??? God said ALL have sinned...Because your humanist philosophy can't figure it out means it's not true???

1,018 posted on 01/27/2015 10:01:15 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Arthur McGowan
Are infants sinners? Are the retarded sinners? What sins have they committed? The verse says ALL have sinned.

Yes, yes, that's for God to determine, and that's correct.

The Holy Spirit inspired, God breathed Scripture says that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Why do you choose to argue that? Do you know more than HIM?

1,084 posted on 01/27/2015 12:30:30 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
The statement, "Someone without sin has no need of a savior" is a gratuitous assumption.

No, it's a fact. Adam and Eve did not need a savior until they sinned.

People who do no sin, do not need a savior.

1,085 posted on 01/27/2015 12:32:32 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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