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To: CA Conservative
By implying that Mary has a role in salvation by calling her a Co-Redemptrix, people are ascribing to her divine powers. The same goes for saying she was without sin (in opposition to Scripture).

It is possible to honor and respect the role Mary had as the mother of Jesus, without ascribing to her aspects of divinity that are reserved for God alone.

The Church has never defined that Mary is "co-Redemptrix," and most theologians are opposed to such a definition.

There is no teaching of the Catholic Church that ascribes any divine attributes to Mary. Mary is a creature.

How is it contrary to Scripture to say that Mary was conceived without sin, and committed no personal sin?

811 posted on 01/26/2015 6:17:07 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

“How is it contrary to Scripture to say that Mary was conceived without sin, and committed no personal sin? “

Other than the fact those two things are not revealed in Scripture?

On that basis, anything not in the Scriptures that does not contradict a Scripture, can be a truth!

So, since pizza has never been shown in Scripture to hurt your prayer life, we can now teach that pizza improves your prayer life by making you closer to God.

Got it.


840 posted on 01/26/2015 6:36:49 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Arthur McGowan
There is no teaching of the Catholic Church that ascribes any divine attributes to Mary. Mary is a creature.

On the contrary, .....

From the Catechism of the Catholic church....

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510

Names of God from the Bible. Compare them to the names given to Mary in the above prayer.

Jesus

Hope (our) - 1 Timothy 1:1

Counselor - Isaiah 9:6

Advocate - 1 John 2:1

Mediator - 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 9:15, Hebrews 12:24

Holy Spirit

Comforter - John 14:26

Helper – John 14:16

This is worship of Mary if ever there was.....Attributing to her the attributes of God is idolatry.

846 posted on 01/26/2015 6:43:17 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
How is it contrary to Scripture to say that Mary was conceived without sin, and committed no personal sin?

Why is it NECESSARY for Catholics to assume that Mary was conceived without sin, and committed no personal sin?

852 posted on 01/26/2015 6:49:05 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
The Church has never defined that Mary is "co-Redemptrix," and most theologians are opposed to such a definition.

This is a quote from the article at the beginning of this post:

"I spend most of its pages in classic apologetic defense of Mary as Mother of God, defending her immaculate conception, perpetual virginity, assumption into heaven, her Queenship, and her role in God’s plan of salvation as Co-redemptrix and Mediatrix. "

Perhaps the Catholic Church does not define Mary in this way, but the author, who is identified as the "Director of Apologetics and Evangelization here at Catholic Answers" certainly defines her in that manner.

How is it contrary to Scripture to say that Mary was conceived without sin, and committed no personal sin?

"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23)

In Luke Chapter 1, Mary refers to "God my savior". Someone without sin has no need of a savior.

There are many more scriptures we can throw out on the subject, but it is late and I'm tired. And the ones listed here are sufficient to make the point.

With regard to her being conceived without sin, there is no scripture to even suggest such a thing. That is a concept created out of whole cloth. The ONLY time the Bible mentions a virgin giving birth is in reference to Christ himself. Since Mary had a human mother and human father, she also was heir to the same sin nature we all have.

909 posted on 01/26/2015 10:53:30 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Arthur McGowan; CA Conservative
>>How is it contrary to Scripture to say that Mary was conceived without sin, and committed no personal sin?<<

Then whose sin did she die for? After all "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin" says death is the result of sin.

964 posted on 01/27/2015 7:03:21 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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