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To: rwa265; CynicalBear; metmom
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>> “Can you point me to any teachings, such as doctrines of the Weslayan, Methodist, Lutheran, or other faith, that further explains how Mary did not give birth to the Second person of the Trinity?” <<

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How about the word of God instead?

John 1:

[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[15] John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

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1,744 posted on 01/30/2015 12:13:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; rwa265; metmom

Meh, what’s scripture to a Catholic other than the few verses they can take out of context and use to establish their pagan ways.


1,745 posted on 01/30/2015 12:22:25 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor
And these verses.....

Colossians 1:13-20 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

1,747 posted on 01/30/2015 12:49:00 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: editor-surveyor

The student is supposed to do his OWN research!


1,755 posted on 01/30/2015 1:33:22 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor; CynicalBear; metmom; Elsie

John 1:

[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[15] John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.


Coincidentally, I was looking at this very chapter. It goes on to say:

[16] And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
[18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

It seems that this Jesus Christ who was “the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father,” is the same Jesus that the angel Gabriel told Mary she would conceive and bear; and that the Word existed from the beginning, and became flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, and was born of the virgin Mary.

Based on this, many Christians believe that Mary is the mother of God.

There are other Christians who do not believe that Mary is the mother of God.

I am asking if any of you can point me to any commentaries or teachings that explain how it is that Mary is not the mother of God.


1,756 posted on 01/30/2015 1:54:58 PM PST by rwa265
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