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"True; you DID say this; BUT.....your CHALLENGE said THIS:

'If by the end of the day tomorrow (1/28/15), you can show me a Bible text that says that the apostles were not at the crucifixion, I will immediately donate an additional $100 to Free Republic...'"

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You're post is correct as far as it goes (and, sadly, "correct" is not a term that I could truthfully apply to many of your posts, Elsie). I did say that, as part of that wager offer. My offer for a wager was to another poster, who would also have had to agree to pay that $100 to FR instead, if they could not find such a Bible text by the end of today (1/28/15). That poster declined to make that wager. Are you saying you wish to make that same wager with me, and that you will pledge to make that payment if you cannot find such a Bible text by the end of today?

'If by the end of the day tomorrow (1/28/15), you can show me a Bible text that says that the apostles were not at the crucifixion, I will immediately donate an additional $100 to Free Republic...'"

It'd be a GREAT idea to just donate $100 to Free Republic anyway, right?!

I'm not betting you, but I'd like to know if this is this another RC trick question like, "Show me in the Bible where I can find the word "Trinity"".? Or, "show me where the the Bible says sola Scriptura" or "Bible alone"? Well, we don't have any specific verse that says, "none of the Apostles were at the crucifixion of Jesus". What we DO have, however, are passages from all four gospel accounts that indicate ONLY the women were present at the actual crucifixion and only the Gospel of John that mentions John was there beneath the cross as Jesus finally died. There's nothing that says the eleven WERE there, either. Here are the passages (note: Jesus tells the Apostles that they will ALL fall away and desert him):

Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’ But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.” Peter replied, “Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will.” “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.” But Peter declared, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the other disciples said the same. (Matt. 26:31-35)

“You will all fall away,” Jesus told them, “for it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.’ But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.” Peter declared, “Even if all fall away, I will not.” “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “today—yes, tonight—before the rooster crows twicee you yourself will disown me three times.” But Peter insisted emphatically, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the others said the same. (Mark 14:27-31)

“Am I leading a rebellion,” said Jesus, “that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.” Then everyone deserted him and fled. (Mark 14:48-50)

The centurion, seeing what had happened, praised God and said, “Surely this was a righteous man.” When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away. But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things. (Luke 23:47-49)

Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home. (John 19:25-27)

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. (John 20:19-20)

You're post is correct as far as it goes (and, sadly, "correct" is not a term that I could truthfully apply to many of your posts, Elsie).

Feel free to re-post any that 'correct' does NOT apply to; and make any necessary CORRECTIONS as you see fit.

Why let any lurkers be confused by anything I've posted?

Are you saying you wish to make that same wager with me, and that you will pledge to make that payment if you cannot find such a Bible text by the end of today?

Gosh; what does your parsing ability tell you?

Did I say that or not?

Did Elsie really say...