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To: Iscool
"Mar 14:50 And they all forsook him, and fled. They all left except Peter...On the way to the trial, Peter stayed a ways back to avoid being numbered with Jesus...Peter was fearing for his life and told 3 lies in the process... John was the only apostle to show up at the crucifixion...Jesus' mother and a bunch of other women were there and off in the distance were some of Jesus' followers...Their names are not given...That's all scripture... Perhaps you can show some scripture that shows the apostles were at the Crucifixion, besides John..."

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I see you did not want to take the bet, because, like you've seen, the Bible does not tell us the apostles were not at the crucifixion.

The first Bible text you quoted in your post, was, of course, not talking about the crucifixion, and has no bearing whatsoever on that discussion concerning who was actually at the crucifixion.

The Bible does not say that "John was the only apostle to show up at the crucifixion" - you made that up.

A more careful reading of those earlier posts might prove helpful to you.    I did not say "the Bible says the apostles were at the crucifixion", I said "the Bible does not say they were not at the crucifixion".    They are two different things altogether.

The Bible does not include a comprehensive list of everyone who was at the crucifixion (either close-up, or at a distance on the periphery), any more than it includes a list of everyone who was at the "Sermon on the Mount".

1,253 posted on 01/27/2015 10:29:12 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest
 I said "the Bible does not say they were not at the crucifixion".   

True; you DID say this; BUT..

...your CHALLENGE said THIS:

If by the end of the day tomorrow (1/28/15), you can show me a Bible text that says that the apostles were not at the crucifixion, I will immediately donate an additional $100 to Free Republic...

1,281 posted on 01/28/2015 4:38:43 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Heart-Rest
The Bible does not say that "John was the only apostle to show up at the crucifixion" - you made that up.

If you leave off YOUR added quotes; does the bible indicate that John was the only one?

1,291 posted on 01/28/2015 4:50:56 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Heart-Rest; Iscool

And the twisting continues.


1,308 posted on 01/28/2015 5:49:44 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Heart-Rest
The Bible does not include a comprehensive list of everyone who was at the crucifixion (either close-up, or at a distance on the periphery), any more than it includes a list of everyone who was at the "Sermon on the Mount".

The Holy Spirit didn't include lists of things that didn't happen just to satisfy the petulant demands of skeptics.

The fact that something wasn't recorded as not happening doesn't give anyone license to make stuff up along the way and teach it as truth.

If it was important enough to be known, then God certainly would have included it as He included all the rest of the stuff we need to know for salvation and maturity in Christ, as He did.

So tell us.....

What is so critical for salvation and maturity in Christ that the Holy Spirit neglected to include in Scripture that the Catholic church deems it necessary to teach it as truth?

1,343 posted on 01/28/2015 12:11:31 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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