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To: CA Conservative

I doubt I can convince you otherwise, but neither will you change my mind on this one.

Jesus saved Mary before she was born and before He was born. She needed Him just like everyone else. She just got him before anyone else did. It would only be a contradiction if God is limited by time.

Doesn’t this support the concept of being saved? That if you are truly saved you will not choose sin? Why does Mary not sin when other humans who have been saved do? The non-Catholic answer to that is that ‘they weren’t truly saved’. The Catholic answer to that is that none of us are truly saved (at least that we know of) until we die. In spite of original sin being wiped away by Baptism, the effects it had are still present in that we still are likely to give in to sin as long as we are alive. Until we are dead, we continue to have our own free will, and we will always be at risk of falling into sin or turning away from God. But Mary was cleansed of original sin before she was born, so she was spared that weakness.

So if Mary was truly saved, she is not a contradiction, but a fulfillment of scripture. She shows what happens to all of us eventually when we are finally saved, body and soul in Heaven with God.

Like I said, I understand that you cannot accept this tradition. I very happily do not see the same contradictions.

Love,
O2


1,180 posted on 01/27/2015 3:33:14 PM PST by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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To: omegatoo
Doesn’t this support the concept of being saved? That if you are truly saved you will not choose sin? Why does Mary not sin when other humans who have been saved do? The non-Catholic answer to that is that ‘they weren’t truly saved’. The Catholic answer to that is that none of us are truly saved (at least that we know of) until we die.

Being saved does not mean that you will never sin again. Being human, we will still suffer temptation, and will occasionally fall. But to fall does not mean you are not saved or were never saved. And if you cannot know for sure if you are saved until you die, then your religion has a significant flaw.

Now, there is a significant difference between a Christian who falls into sin and repents, and someone who claims to be a Christian but lives a lifestyle of unrepentant sin. As the Scripture says, by their fruits you will know them.

And we have the choice to walk away from God, but that is a choice - no power can pry us from His hand, but we are free to leave if we choose. But I can know I am saved - If I accept the work of the Cross, repent of my sins, acknowledge Him as the God and ask Him to be the Lord of my life, I can be saved and KNOW it. And if I choose not to accept Him or to walk away, then I can also know that I am NOT saved.

I believe Mary was saved - but not in the womb or at birth. Like everyone else, Mary had to accept Christ as her Lord and Savior and have her sins washed by the Blood of the Lamb. That does not make her less important in God's plan or make her less worthy of honor and respect.

1,182 posted on 01/27/2015 3:58:59 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: omegatoo
Why does Mary not sin when other humans who have been saved do?

Yes, Mary has sinned...She never fixed dinner for her family...She used to make up stories to get her siblings in trouble...ALL have sinned...

1,193 posted on 01/27/2015 6:16:47 PM PST by Iscool
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To: omegatoo
Jesus saved Mary before she was born and before He was born.

Neat trick; with ZERO proof.

It takes FAITH to be saved, and one must FIRST be born!


1 Corinthians 15:14
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

Second; Christ must be RISEN for us to even HAVE any faith!

1,202 posted on 01/27/2015 6:44:58 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: omegatoo
I doubt I can convince you otherwise, but neither will you change my mind on this one.

You sure called THIS one right!

1,204 posted on 01/27/2015 6:45:57 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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