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To: omegatoo
Catholics believe that Mary was saved out of time.

I understand that is what Catholics believe. The problem is that there is absolutely nothing in Scripture to support that idea. And since that concept is in opposition to Scripture, which says "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God", that would seem to make this one of those traditions that have to be abandoned...

1,170 posted on 01/27/2015 2:27:48 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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I doubt I can convince you otherwise, but neither will you change my mind on this one.

Jesus saved Mary before she was born and before He was born. She needed Him just like everyone else. She just got him before anyone else did. It would only be a contradiction if God is limited by time.

Doesn’t this support the concept of being saved? That if you are truly saved you will not choose sin? Why does Mary not sin when other humans who have been saved do? The non-Catholic answer to that is that ‘they weren’t truly saved’. The Catholic answer to that is that none of us are truly saved (at least that we know of) until we die. In spite of original sin being wiped away by Baptism, the effects it had are still present in that we still are likely to give in to sin as long as we are alive. Until we are dead, we continue to have our own free will, and we will always be at risk of falling into sin or turning away from God. But Mary was cleansed of original sin before she was born, so she was spared that weakness.

So if Mary was truly saved, she is not a contradiction, but a fulfillment of scripture. She shows what happens to all of us eventually when we are finally saved, body and soul in Heaven with God.

Like I said, I understand that you cannot accept this tradition. I very happily do not see the same contradictions.

Love,
O2


1,180 posted on 01/27/2015 3:33:14 PM PST by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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