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To: Iscool
Mary being conceived by the usual method means her mother was not a virgin. Catholics believe that Mary was given the gift of salvation at the time of her conception, and she was born cleansed of original sin because of that.

It is original sin which causes us to sin, so without that Mary was able to lead a sinless life.

No, it is not in the bible. But neither is the concept of sola scriptura.

Man can only live 'by every word that comes from the mouth of God.' Not every one of those words is in the bible. Some were never written, but were remembered and passed down. If you do not accept that there could be some traditions that are from God but extra-biblical, then you are not really following God's teaching.

What those traditions are is debatable, but the fact that not 'every word' is in the bible is not.

Love,

O2

1,058 posted on 01/27/2015 11:26:04 AM PST by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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To: omegatoo; Iscool

Scripture teaches that death is the result of sin. Christ died because He took our sins upon Himself. Whose sins did Mary die for?


1,064 posted on 01/27/2015 11:41:50 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: omegatoo
Catholics believe that Mary was given the gift of salvation at the time of her conception, and she was born cleansed of original sin because of that.

You can believe anything you want...However, God says all have sinned...That includes Mary...

No, it is not in the bible. But neither is the concept of sola scriptura.

If you were any kind of a bible student, you would know better than that...The concept of scripture alone is all over the bible...

Man can only live 'by every word that comes from the mouth of God.' Not every one of those words is in the bible. Some were never written, but were remembered and passed down.

Your religion admits that it doesn't have any of those words...

If you do not accept that there could be some traditions that are from God but extra-biblical, then you are not really following God's teaching.

You are just parroting what they tell you...You will not find that concept in the scriptures...

1,066 posted on 01/27/2015 11:47:02 AM PST by Iscool
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To: omegatoo
Not every one of those words is in the bible. Some were never written, but were remembered and passed down. If you do not accept that there could be some traditions that are from God but extra-biblical, then you are not really following God's teaching.

But if those traditions are not in harmony with what IS revealed in Scripture, then the tradition has to be wrong, not Scripture. And I cannot find anything in Scripture to support the concept that Mary was saved in utero.

The Bible says that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Prior to the Cross, the blood was from the sacrifices of lambs, goats, birds and cattle. But the Bible also says that the blood of those animals could not atone for sins not yet committed. This is why the sacrifices had to be made yearly on the Day of Atonement. It wasn't until the Cross that the Blood of Jesus was able to atone for all sins, past, present and future. Without that sacrifice to atone for the Original Sin which afflicts us all, how could God cleanse her of her original sin and still be true to His Word?

There are many instances in the where God chose someone even from their mother's womb - Samuel comes immediately to mind. But in no case was it ever implied that God saved them from sin in the womb nor that they were able to live sinless lives. So without any other examples of God doing that in Scripture, without any prophecy to indicate that the mother of Jesus would be sinless, and without any testimony of the writers of the New Testament that Mary was sinless, why should we accept a tradition that makes such a claim???

1,125 posted on 01/27/2015 1:27:22 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: omegatoo
But neither is the concept of sola scriptura.

Perhaps you are the one to tell us Prots (and any lurkers) just what we NEED from Catholicism that the bible only does NOT provide.

(Heck; I'll bet some of the Catholics would like to know as well!)

1,130 posted on 01/27/2015 1:33:45 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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