Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer
Can you think of any other way to ask a question to evade the issue that the Holy Spirit did NOT refer to Mary as “mother of God”? You’re starting to sound like “did God really say”.
Nobody ever denied that Mary played a unique role in history of salvation.
Only one woman could ever bear the Messiah.
HOWEVER, that does in no way justify all the extraneous teachings and doctrines and characteristics that have been attributed to her over the centuries.
It's always best to stick with what's found in Scripture and not go beyond that into speculation and rationalization. That will surely lead into error, as it has in all the stuff added to Mary that has NO basis more than wishful thinking.
I’m not certain I follow you here. Are you saying that Mary was never pregnant by God the Father and that Jesus wasn’t born the normal, natural human way from womb to cervix to vaginal canal, umbilical cord, placenta, etc.?
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Deserves repeating.....
Are you a modalist?
When Mary gave birth to God, becoming His mother, where was He?
Was He still in heaven?
What part of Please show where scripture uses the words “mother of God” are you having trouble with?
It doesn't say "pray on to another".
God doesn't waste his time and fool with human logic...God says to stay away from it...
Thank you for that.
...”At what point did Jesus cease to be the man who was born in Bethlehem”...
He rose from the dead....that changes everything!
Might be a good idea to revisit the resurrection and what that means.
Sorry, it has a basis in the Sacred Tradition of the Church, from the time of the apostles to today. We doubtless will never agree on this or any other Catholic teaching not spelled out literally in the bible. However, I will pray that the Blessed Virgin will lead you to her and through her to a better understanding of her Son.
You were ascribing motives to that activity outside of consideration for how those things which she brought from the CCC (catechism-Catholic-Church) would compare to your own assertions as to what the [Roman] Catholic Church teaches.
God bless you!
Grateful
You call Mary the Mother of God a sinner, so logically Jesus would be conceived in sin. Why wouldn’t God give a special grace to Mary so that she was not conceived in sin so that sin would not affect Jesus? Why would The angel Gabriel said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you” (Luke 1:28). The phrase “full of grace” is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. It therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary.
We also know of another very prominent exception to the rule: Jesus (Heb. 4:15). So if Paul’s statement in Romans 3 includes an exception for the New Adam (Jesus), one may argue that an exception for the New Eve (Mary) can also be made.
The objection is also raised that if Mary were without sin, she would be equal to God. In the beginning, God created Adam, Eve, and the angels without sin, but none were equal to God. Most of the angels never sinned, and all souls in heaven are without sin. This does not detract from the glory of God, but manifests it by the work he has done in sanctifying his creation. Sinning does not make one human. On the contrary, it is when man is without sin that he is most fully what God intends him to be.
I say it’s the most dangerous because it is a perversion of true scripture having added beliefs not contained in scripture and including paganism condemned in scripture. Yet it purports to be the only true religion with just enough truth to deceive.
If you were speaking of the dogma referred to as "Immaculate Conception" then you are simply incorrect in that having come "from the time of the Apostles".
Those of the RCC who are more in-the-know do confess that the teaching as it is now --- is nowhere to be found among the "Sacred Tradition" as that can be discerned to have been at the time of the Apostles, but instead have developed myriad ways of explaining how what came to be by way of "development" --- was [allegedly] there all along --- even though for many centuries it was not recognized, which by implication results in the earliest centuries Christians being uniformly ignorant in comparison to latter-day Know-it-Alls among the later centuries RCC -- on a host of issues.
Thank you Boatbums.
You mentioned they have a blindness they cannot see regarding their devotion to their mary. ...and for that a hyper sensitivity which we see consistantly on these threads.....which interesting we never see regarding Jesus, only because she is ‘central’ to their beliefs..
I agree.... that only the Lord can remove their blindess as it is so entrenched in their very beings... IF.... they have a desire to know what is true. I do think you have to ‘want to know’ the truth as God would have us, many simply are willing to settle for whatever they are told to believe.
I have a dear friend in CA. who many years ago I shared the Gospel message with ...and with this many questions she had having been raised in catholicism. One of the things which was so striking was how often, frequently with tears, she expressed how she was told many things about catholicism but not about Jesus....and that as she sought the Lord herself and His word on these matters she discovered these were not true....and harder for her was ‘all those years’ she never heard the gospel presented to her from the nuns nor the Priests...they only talked about Him but never about a relationship with Him.
Today she has bible studies in her home reaching other catholics who like her never came to know Christ while in their church...she is a mighty instrument in the hand of God and a passion for Him and the truth.
So there are those who HE does prepare to hear the truth and want to know it....moreso... they want Him over and above all else. This was what brought her to ask questions when we negaged about the things of God.
Your logic is lacking.
The Blessed Mother is either both the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of God or not. You can’t have it both ways. Jesus was and is both God and man. Isn’t it amazing that He did this for us so that we may join Him in Heaven. Isn’t it amazing that He (God) humbled himself to experience first hand as a new born. a child and as an adult life as a human being.
Why do you feel the need to reject God’s Word and the Mother of Jesus? Why do you argue and dismiss the honor and love that we all feel for the Mother of God?
Don’t bother.
I appreciate your intention, but I am NOT going THROUGH Mary to Jesus.
Jesus calls us directly to Him to follow HIM.
I don’t need a mediator to get to Jesus. HE is my mediator to get to God.
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