Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer
Just hypothetically, if you were to know God did will, through His divine providence, to create a woman free of original sin, so as to be a worthy mother for his Son, what would your reaction be? Praise to God for his power? Hope that we may one day be like the woman?
Suppose that Son of the woman, as one of his last acts while dying on the cross for our sins, gave her to the members of His church to be their own mother, just as we were to be His brothers. Would you love the woman as your own mother?
I'd be interested in the Scripture references, chapter and verse, where those terms are found in relation to Mary.
And here is what the Holy Spirit says about Mary.....
The Holy Spirit is clear in Scripture in calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.
John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, They have no wine.
Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
Your comment: “Brilliant. I still find tremendous comfort and sustenance in the Bible today partly due to Luther.”
You may find comfort, but will you find salavation for rejecting God’s Word and the teachings of His Church?
I thought that the discussion here concerned various discrepencies WITHIN the Christian religion...who the he** cares what muslims believe???
Before you go off the rails at someone, you ought to know what your own CCC says about that topic.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p1.htm
460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
CCC 795, Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:
Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.230
Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.231
Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.232
A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."233
Looks like some low-grade morons are running the RCC and writing its catechism.
Catholics don’t seem to understand that we are not only saved from the consequences of the sin we choose to do, but we are saved from our sin nature as well.
When we accept Christ, that sin nature has been crucified with Him, and we no longer live but Christ lives in us. The life we live in the body we live by faith in the son of God who loved us and gave His life for us.
The new birth in a nutshell.
What blasphemy!
A former Catholic who knows the RCC catechism. Wasn’t counting on that!
All those references to our “becoming God” and “becoming Christ” are analogical. They mean that we PARTICIPATE in the divine nature, precisely because CHARITY is WHAT GOD IS.
All of the “transcendentals” (Being, truth, good, unity, beauty, holiness, etc.) are always used analogically. That is a rock-bottom basic for understanding any Catholic theological discourse.
None of the cited texts means that any creature literally turns into the (or an) eternal, infinite God.
Oh please, it has been around forever and it is funny!!!
It can't be because if there's no sin, there's no need for grace.
Where sin abounds, grace much more abounds.
If there was no sin in Mary, she would not need grace, therefore couldn't be *full of grace*.
Grace in Scripture never indicates sinlessness.
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John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, They have no wine.
Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
I'll stick with the Holy Spirit over the opinion of an anonymous internet poster about what to call Mary.
Yeah, right...for one thousand six hundred years Christ ignored His church....let her fall into apostasy and luckily Luther (a Catholic) came along to save the eternal church.....how lucky can we get??? and by the way, the Bible that you find comfort in was brought to you through the courtesy of the Roman Catholic Church....even if you are reading the EDITED ..KJV!
Add all of that to your wrong list as well.
Did anyone ever give you examples of the *many and varied* interpretations of Scripture that Protestants are supposed to have?
And some fringe groups consider the KJV inspired but they probably also believe the earth is flat.
The original Greek is inspired as well as the Hebrew, and there are plenty of online resources available to go to to look up anything you wish to investigate and find out the Greek and Hebrew word meanings.
"For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.
It is clearly stating that men are to become God.
You are not dumb..
We have all been deceived.. the whole world.. christian, jew, muslim, secular humanist, atheists, etc..you name the group, they have accepted too much that just isn’t truth...
And scripture says it happens..
And when I realized, as a protestant, that I had my faith in exactly the same thing that the Mary of the catholic church pointed to, I sought to defend my ‘faith’...
And everything pointed in the direction that I just wasn’t taught Truth., I had just accepted inherited lies that people long since dead accepted and passed off as truth.
The Holy Spirit will lead us to all Truth. And I met the savior like we all do, as Jesus.,. He didn’t let me stay ‘there’..
And I didn’t know why at first... but I know why now...and why I don’t consider myself a christian anymore..
But not because my faith is gone. It has been strengthened...
I truly believe the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.. and He is coming back... and I don’t call Him Jesus anymore..
I don’t accept December 25, good friday or easter either as truth... I don’t live my life by the world’s calendar (named after a pope) anymore either.
It has opened my eyes to what sola scriptura can really be when one rejects the world and turns to His Holy Word for all instruction..
I have used the KJV, NKJV, Amplified and ASV. I prefer the ASV best. Amplified is good, if you are really trying to get a deeper meaning, such as in Eph 2:8-9. Read those two verses in the Amplified.
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