[brooklyn dave]

Maybe some Lutheran folks can help me out here. I know this was posted by a Catholic apologist (but what the heck-I think we’re still in America-at least for now), but why wouldn’t a Lutheran pastor—or even lay person think of joining up with the other Synods —who I believe are more ethically conservative? Or is it that ELCA is more liturgical—resembling the Catholic liturgy than are the Missouri Synod or smaller Lutheran synods?

[Guenevere]

This is the ELCA......This is the PCUSA (Presbyterian Church, USA)...

This is any church that has gone apostate!

This is NOT Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod......Or Presbyterian Church in America......(PCA).......

There are plenty of denominations that DO NOT sanction abortion.

[Colofornian]

1. Both the ELCA and the PCUSA have long paid for abortions by churchworkers -- part of their health insurance plans. So...you thereby have long had offering plate $ contributing to the dismemberment of "future Lutherans" and "future Presbyterians."

2. It's because of this -- and the ELCA's positions on homosexuality (amongst pastors, for example) & sexuality in general -- that the rest of the Lutheran denominations have either distanced themselves or formed new break-offs. With the PC-USA, the PCA (Presbyterian Church in America) & some smaller Presbyterian branches have likewise distanced themselves from PC-USA.

Bottom line: Most Lutherans and most Presbyterians ARE opposed to abortion -- albeit it for too many such opposition remains in the heart or upstairs in their worldviews...and aren't fleshed out in any significant way.

[punknpuss]

One other fact about the ELCA, two of its most famous (former members) were George Tiller and the BTK killer. In the case of the latter, the church did not know he was a murderer - he was a member in good standing until he was arrested (and who knows, maybe he still is a member). Tiller, they knew he as an abortionist, the most famous late term abortionist in America. They gave him communion week after week and took his blood money. So were the murderers influenced by the callous thinking of the ELCA or was the ELCA influenced by its members who do not revere life and so attracted others like themselves.

[lightman]

Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Christ is in our midst!

[RnMomof7]

The ELC = PCUSA,Methodists, Church of Christ ... it is the liberal Lutheran church.. the main Lutheran synod is the Missouri synod

[SgtHooper]

Oh, oh. The Catholics are giving payback to the Lutes!