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To: mrobisr

The object of ESTABLISH and ENACT is the CANON, not the doctrine. You are making precisely the blunder I already described. You will find everything Trent taught in canons of previous councils and countless theological treatises.


320 posted on 01/22/2015 10:40:48 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
Art; if everything the RCC teaches had been right from the getgo; there would be NO need for canons and Trents and Niceas.

The fact that they WERE convened and attended and argued over PROVES that Catholicism cannot be right!


The record you folks put together (the bible) CLEARLY shows error being taught by YOUR church!!!

You are NOT going to get away with it being BOTH ways on FR!!!


353 posted on 01/23/2015 8:52:13 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

While the acts are indeed older I can’t find anything except for the CoT that makes them binding for Salvation or that they impart Grace themselves. So studying your Church history it still wasn’t handed down in any apostolic succession as you suggest. Note the comments below there wasn’t even and official definition of the word sacraments for at least 1200 years. It was over 1200 years before it was nailed down to any formal teaching. You are intentionally trying to throw the conversation off of my original comments. CoT changed the 7 Sacraments meaning and definition if you have evidence contrary please share.

The Councils of Lyons (1274) and Florence (1438-1445) taught there are only seven sacraments, the ones we know today. The Council of Trent reiterated this teaching in response to Protestant rejection of some of the sacraments. But the concept of a sacrament was insufficiently developed in the ancient Church, and there was dispute about which Christian rituals and practices should be called sacraments. Sometimes the term was used by the Fathers to embrace practices we would deem sacramentals today. Sometimes its use was wider still, so that anything which could have a religious symbolism was called a sacrament. Why this multiplicity of definitions? Because agreement hadn’t been reached on what the word sacraments should mean. As a result, many things were called sacraments in the early Church which subsequently were not identified as such.


402 posted on 01/23/2015 5:43:30 PM PST by mrobisr
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