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To: Arthur McGowan; CynicalBear
The apostles opposed anything pagan.
Therefore, the apostles opposed what YOU say is pagan.
The question-begging consists in your not noticing that it's YOU who say it's pagan. You have not established that it's pagan, or that the apostles opposed it.
And you provide no evidence that ANYBODY in Christianity condemned it AT THE TIME IT SUPPOSEDLY STARTED.

Yes the apostles and disciples opposed pagan teachings.. that is why you do not see them practicing anything near what Rome does on any given Sunday.. there was no priesthood, no 7 sacraments, no statures, no prayer to saints, no "vestments, no "holy water", no re-sacrifice of Christ, etc.. all of thsoe things came out of Rome..not the NT church

283 posted on 01/22/2015 1:57:19 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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To: RnMomof7

You have not established that veneration of saints, the Mass, the priesthood, the seven sacraments, etc., did not exist in apostolic or sub-apostolic times.

There is NO RECORD of any dissension in the Church over the “invention” of the Mass, the introduction of images, the veneration of the martyrs and other saints.

You are trying to get me to believe that MASSIVE changes in the Christian religion, the introduction of idolatry, the hierarchy, etc., and NOBODY CONDEMNED it as heresy until the SIXTEENTH CENTURY.

The centuries we are talking about saw the major Christological and Trinitarian heresies, and their condemnation. But NO CONDEMNATIONS of the “idolatry” and “paganism” you complain about.

You continue to ignore the 1500-YEAR SILENCE.


286 posted on 01/22/2015 2:07:25 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: RnMomof7; Arthur McGowan; CynicalBear
The apostles opposed anything pagan.

Yup!

And the seven churches in Asia were PRAISED for their FAITHFUL adherence to Catholic Doctrine!

346 posted on 01/23/2015 8:29:47 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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