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I don’t see anything wrong with admiring the fact the Assumption isn’t in Scripture at all. First of all, there’s nothing in the Dogma of the Assumption that contradicts Scripture at all. So the only person or persons who could have a problem with it would be anyone who demands that every Christian dogma be specifically in Scripture. Which is precisely what sola scripturists assure us is NOT “sola scriptura”. So anyone who objects to it yet insists on sola scriptura is a hypocrite (unless they wish to explain why we should expect everything about Mary’s life be in Scripture when Scripture itself says everything about JESUS’ life isn’t in Scripture)

Secondly, I don’t know why any Catholic on this issue or any issue really continues to cow-tow to the sola scriptura insistence of “show me that in the Bible”. That requirement ITSELF was not in Christianity for 1500 years and even after the “Reformation” it still wasn’t present (as all the early “reformers” like Calvin and Luther and Zwinglii all still insisted on ecclesiastical authority and everyone’s submission to the Church. It was just their idea of what the Church should teach is what they were “reforming” not the nature and authority of the Church per se)

So you have as a matter of historical fact this demand of “show me that in the Bible or what you say isn’t real Christian teaching” being at best a 300 year old invention (starting mainly in the 17th century) and not even the original goal of the “Reformation”! So why even play that game at all? It’s pointless and ultimately self defeating, for all parties involved.


15 posted on 01/18/2015 9:14:57 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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Correction: I don’t see anything wrong with *admitting* (not admiring) ... Etc


17 posted on 01/18/2015 9:18:20 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

Thanks and I understand your comments.

I feel that it may be helpful to others to see and read about Catholic Church teachings. Even if there are disputes by some. Each individual can examine the logic and reasons for the Church teachings. And it is even possible for the Holy Spirit to inspire those who do not believe.

And it helps me when I do research to better understand the teachings of the Catholic Church. I hope that I am doing a little to spread God’s word and the teachings of the Catholic Church.

I try to post in a factual and positive way, but please advise me if there is a better way.


22 posted on 01/18/2015 9:33:42 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: FourtySeven; ADSUM
I don’t see anything wrong with admiring the fact the Assumption isn’t in Scripture at all. First of all, there’s nothing in the Dogma of the Assumption that contradicts Scripture at all.

What fresh new hell is this? First of all, if it contradicts Torah (which all marian doctrine does), it contradicts ALL. Secondly, if it contradicts Yeshua (which all marian doctrine does), it contradicts ALL. BOTH of these cannot be added to, nor taken from, by ANY authority whatsoever.

So the only person or persons who could have a problem with it would be anyone who demands that every Christian dogma be specifically in Scripture. Which is precisely what sola scripturists assure us is NOT “sola scriptura”. So anyone who objects to it yet insists on sola scriptura is a hypocrite

NONSENSE... utter nonsense. Sola-scriptura simply states that there is no authority that trumps the written word. Trying to end-run that with an argument from complete silence, relying upon psuedepigraphal documents (read forgeries) throws the door wide open. Virtually anything can be created out of whole cloth.

(unless they wish to explain why we should expect everything about Mary’s life be in Scripture when Scripture itself says everything about JESUS’ life isn’t in Scripture)

Propping up one absurdity with another, I see.

106 posted on 01/18/2015 3:54:59 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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So the only person or persons who could have a problem with it would be anyone who demands that every Christian dogma be specifically in Scripture. Which is precisely what sola scripturists assure us is NOT “sola scriptura”. So anyone who objects to it yet insists on sola scriptura is a hypocrite (unless they wish to explain why we should expect everything about Mary’s life be in Scripture when Scripture itself says everything about JESUS’ life isn’t in Scripture)

Hey, y'all can believe whatever you like, just don't think that whatever you like should be believed as mandatory in order to be saved. Scripture DOES teach that it contains all that is necessary for us to know the way of salvation. The Apostle John said what was written was so we would believe in Christ and have eternal life through His name. Paul wrote to Timothy that:

    All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. (2 Tim. 3:16,17)

Where Roman Catholicism went off the rails was when they decided they had authority OVER God's word and could make whatever they decided was the truth binding upon all Christians. What is being objected to is the Roman Catholic church declaring ONLY Catholics who believe in everything the magesterium decrees will be saved and no one can be saved outside of the Roman Catholic church. When you are challenged to prove your doctrines by Scripture, it is only following the example of those early church fathers who asserted the same thing. They essentially said, don't believe anything we say if we can't show you it in Scripture. The Reformers were NOT making a demand that had not already been made from the start.

One thing you ARE correct about, Roman Catholics should stop pretending that their novel doctrines are backed up by Scripture. It only gets exposed as bogus when a passage is interpreted, reinterpreted, twisted like a pretzel and common words get redefined in order to rationalize what is already a pretty weak argument to start with. Might as well stop pretending what Scripture says matters.

205 posted on 01/19/2015 8:32:32 AM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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