Discredited on this thread: Perhaps in your mind. Why don’t you go ask the several leading Protestant, Lutheran, and Evangelical theologians, professors, and pastors who after a lifetime of research and teaching converted to Catholicism?
The so-called “Bible” Christian are an exotic species that several articles have been written about them essentially exposing these folks as low-IQ snake handlers. This was all spawned by the curse of the reformation. Some serious reading might help.
Go read Hillaire Belloc’s “The Great Heresies.”
The Bible was put together by the early Church fathers. They got their authority not out of thin air but from the apostolic tradition handed to Peter and his successors. They included some parts of the Judaic texts but not all. After decades of research by the use of Petrine authority we have the definitive Bible.
Catholics have a Catechism and a Credo for all times and for all ages. Not the silly cracking opening of the pages of the Bible and have Billy Graham or Rev. Schuller or Joe Osteen spout their vapid “preaching” or the lunacy of Rev. Wright, the Moonies, Mormons, or some of the corner street Foursquare church pastors.
Why go far: we have mainline Protestant denominations now “ordaining” married gay and lesbian pastors. What a joke!
What all the heretics have in common is the denial of Petrine authority.
For a brief history of the Apostolic Tradition
Try reading
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/apostolic-tradition
Not all Protestant denominations are the same, nor can they all be lumped together. You are right that SOME Protestant churches are ordaining gay and lesbian pastors, much to the dismay of many of the rest of us..... why are you not also so demeaning of Rome, who ordains gay priests and then sometimes covers up for them when they molest children?
Your own apologists admit you cannot find the immaculate conception in the Bible nor in tradition. Yet catholics continue to cling to their indoctrination on this issue. Why?
Because if the rcc backed off this "teaching" and admitted they were wrong, any credibility they might have is gone. Also, Mary's big money for the rcc. Not gonna give up that gravy train any time soon.
The so-called “Bible” Christian are an exotic species that several articles have been written about them essentially exposing these folks as low-IQ snake handlers. This was all spawned by the curse of the reformation. Some serious reading might help.
Is this really the best you've got to offer as a catholic attempting to defend your cult?? This is more in line of a 4th grade playground remark.
There have been people on this board claiming to be in the priesthood who made claims that protestants kill their children at Christmas. Really?
Go read Hillaire Belloc’s “The Great Heresies.”
I'll stick with the Word.
The Bible was put together by the early Church fathers. They got their authority not out of thin air but from the apostolic tradition handed to Peter and his successors. They included some parts of the Judaic texts but not all. After decades of research by the use of Petrine authority we have the definitive Bible.
That you continue to proceed from a false position does not surprise me. You are aware the ECFs were all over the board on the issues the rcc claims are from the ECFs? You are aware the rcc is in violation of its own teachings regarding the unanimous agreement of the ECFs and not contradicting the Word? Who were these ECFs who put the Word together for us? Need names, dates and places. Sure sounds as if you totally discount the involvement of the Holy Spirit in this process.
Catholics have a Catechism and a Credo for all times and for all ages. Not the silly cracking opening of the pages of the Bible and have Billy Graham or Rev. Schuller or Joe Osteen spout their vapid “preaching” or the lunacy of Rev. Wright, the Moonies, Mormons, or some of the corner street Foursquare church pastors.
Islam has the hadiths....Mormons have the Book of Mormon...and catholics have the ccc. (BTW...that ccc keeps on changing doesn't it! It also has some very interesting passages about catholics and muslims worshipping the same god.) That's good company you guys are keeping.
Christians meanwhile, have the Bible. It's an amazingly clear book if you read it.
Why go far: we have mainline Protestant denominations now “ordaining” married gay and lesbian pastors. What a joke!
On this I cannot disagree. These have clearly fallen away from the Word. They're catching up with the rcc though on falling away from the Word....see the immaculate conception.
But then again, the rcc does have its fair share of terrible popes, priests, bishops, etc. Do we really have to post the list of the terrible popes and their false teachings?
Do we really have to point out that pope urban ii promised salvation and forgiveness of sins for those who died in battle during the Crusades? BTW...that's not supported in Scripture.
Do we have to talk about the pedophilia in the rcc? Sometimes it sounds like penn state!
And we are all aware that all catholics are very, very proud of Frances....right? I mean, his brand of the social gospel and socialism sure is appealing to many I'm sure. Not very Biblical, but what's that among friends. Right?
What all the heretics have in common is the denial of Petrine authority.
Sorry, it's the rcc that ignores its claim to "tradition" on this issue as shown time and time again on this board. You are aware the ECFs were not in 100% agreement on Petrine authority.....right? I mean, you've read what they written....right? Or, are you just regurgitating catholic talking points from a website?
You still haven’t shown that what the Catholic Church teaches as tradition is exactly what the apostles taught as tradition. What’s up with that? Nor have you shown proof that the apostles taught the assumption of Mary.
Then, you send me to some "catholic tract" after repeating your initial claims -- which I just showed you were not quite as true as you often make these various claims out out be?
What is this -- a one way conversation?
It seems like you don't hear (and understand) anything much other than your own opinions.
Why should I be impressed with those people? What of the majority of those same classes of theologians who historically did not, and still to this day do not convert?
Besides, as for some of these so-called "leading...theologians", when they become apologists for 'Rome' it is often that their distinctly Romish (adopted) viewpoints are shown to be seriously flawed, just the same as those views have long been seriously flawed, for they most usually are nothing but the same errors, though often dressed up in new-ish appearing clothing...
One could say that "several articles" have been written establishing that the activities of mankind are a significant factor in so-called "climate change", and which the present (partially dopey?) Catholic "pope" himself mistakes as being among that which is "truth".
I should be impressed at the same time I am being insulted? Snake handlers?
Just WHERE do you get off talking to ME like that? huh?
I "seriously study" just about every_single_day.
I'm sure that could be informative. But where does he get his own information? From sources I can access more directly than going through Belloc' -- and ALREADY HAVE.
Yet as for heresies -- if the man is a papist -- he obviously must have missed at least one of those...
The only real truth to that includes aspects which betray the Church of Rome as being foremost, or chief, or highest place of this so-called "Petrine authority", for the Scriptures as they are, are not (and never were) reliant upon the word of any "pope" to be considered Scripture (unless a person is a brainwashed/programmed Roman Catholic, perhaps. which then leaves it to be a thing more of imagination than truth itself)
What is referred to as capital "C" Catechism was chiefly a product of later centuries. There goes significant portions of "for all ages". Wave bye-bye to that portion of your claim...
And here follows yet another version of one of your oft-repeated accusations. I suppose saying such provides some sense of security for yourself? That's how it comes across;
That's a quite a grab-bag assortment you have there. Rev. Wright, Moonies and Mormons have nothing much to do with "Four Square Gospel" preachers.
I know one of the latter. The man is capable of hearing (and acting upon) guidance of the Holy Spirit, myself having noticed that in my own interactions which I had with him, some years ago now. Perhaps the same could not be said for not all Four Square Gospel 'pastors', but for at least that one, he's real enough -- although a more humble man is difficult to find, perhaps...while no one that I know of pretends that man to be "perfect", himself included...
The so-called "mainline" are not all that much mainstream (by the numbers of adherents) within U.S. Christian setting.
There far more (collectively) of various flavored non-denominationals than there are the badly shrunken Episcopalian Church (which itself splinted some time ago, to a larger extent over the very issue). The Methodists may soon experience something of the same...while the nation as a whole does appear to be distancing itself, backsliding away from Godliness. Catholicism is not entirely immune to that, generally speaking -- having had within their own ranks for many years -- known homosexuals as "priests" (even if those who were known to be inclined that way were claiming themselves "celibate").
The Baptists (particularly the Southern Baptists) are not known for doing this sort of ordaining you speak of -- and if they did -- would be dis-invited, cast out from the Southern Baptist Conference. Each of the SB's are independent Churches -- which send representatives to the Conference -- who are sent to follow the Spirit and what they themselves as individuals know of the Lord, the best they can, rather than being representative of the sentiments or viewpoints arrived at by way of majority vote, or something along lines of being "representative" in that way.
You just threw large swaths of various "Orthodox" under the bus --- as "heretics".
Singular papacy -- one bishop of bishops, one "bishop" outranking all others -- was not the order-of-the-day for many long centuries of the Christian Church.
Take the "heretic" talk -- and talk it into your own bathroom mirror.