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To: Steelfish
Discredited on this thread: Perhaps in your mind. Why don’t you go ask the several leading Protestant, Lutheran, and Evangelical theologians, professors, and pastors who after a lifetime of research and teaching converted to Catholicism?

Your own apologists admit you cannot find the immaculate conception in the Bible nor in tradition. Yet catholics continue to cling to their indoctrination on this issue. Why?

Because if the rcc backed off this "teaching" and admitted they were wrong, any credibility they might have is gone. Also, Mary's big money for the rcc. Not gonna give up that gravy train any time soon.

The so-called “Bible” Christian are an exotic species that several articles have been written about them essentially exposing these folks as low-IQ snake handlers. This was all spawned by the curse of the reformation. Some serious reading might help.

Is this really the best you've got to offer as a catholic attempting to defend your cult?? This is more in line of a 4th grade playground remark.

There have been people on this board claiming to be in the priesthood who made claims that protestants kill their children at Christmas. Really?

Go read Hillaire Belloc’s “The Great Heresies.”

I'll stick with the Word.

The Bible was put together by the early Church fathers. They got their authority not out of thin air but from the apostolic tradition handed to Peter and his successors. They included some parts of the Judaic texts but not all. After decades of research by the use of Petrine authority we have the definitive Bible.

That you continue to proceed from a false position does not surprise me. You are aware the ECFs were all over the board on the issues the rcc claims are from the ECFs? You are aware the rcc is in violation of its own teachings regarding the unanimous agreement of the ECFs and not contradicting the Word? Who were these ECFs who put the Word together for us? Need names, dates and places. Sure sounds as if you totally discount the involvement of the Holy Spirit in this process.

Catholics have a Catechism and a Credo for all times and for all ages. Not the silly cracking opening of the pages of the Bible and have Billy Graham or Rev. Schuller or Joe Osteen spout their vapid “preaching” or the lunacy of Rev. Wright, the Moonies, Mormons, or some of the corner street Foursquare church pastors.

Islam has the hadiths....Mormons have the Book of Mormon...and catholics have the ccc. (BTW...that ccc keeps on changing doesn't it! It also has some very interesting passages about catholics and muslims worshipping the same god.) That's good company you guys are keeping.

Christians meanwhile, have the Bible. It's an amazingly clear book if you read it.

Why go far: we have mainline Protestant denominations now “ordaining” married gay and lesbian pastors. What a joke!

On this I cannot disagree. These have clearly fallen away from the Word. They're catching up with the rcc though on falling away from the Word....see the immaculate conception.

But then again, the rcc does have its fair share of terrible popes, priests, bishops, etc. Do we really have to post the list of the terrible popes and their false teachings?

Do we really have to point out that pope urban ii promised salvation and forgiveness of sins for those who died in battle during the Crusades? BTW...that's not supported in Scripture.

Do we have to talk about the pedophilia in the rcc? Sometimes it sounds like penn state!

And we are all aware that all catholics are very, very proud of Frances....right? I mean, his brand of the social gospel and socialism sure is appealing to many I'm sure. Not very Biblical, but what's that among friends. Right?

What all the heretics have in common is the denial of Petrine authority.

Sorry, it's the rcc that ignores its claim to "tradition" on this issue as shown time and time again on this board. You are aware the ECFs were not in 100% agreement on Petrine authority.....right? I mean, you've read what they written....right? Or, are you just regurgitating catholic talking points from a website?

113 posted on 01/18/2015 4:37:01 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
Yes you can read the Catholic Bible and share in some of the teachings of Jesus and the early Catholic Apostles, but you miss out on sacred tradition passed down orally to Catholics by the sacrifices of the early Catholics and martyrs in establishing the Catholic Church as founded by Jesus Christ. And you will miss out on the Magisterium of the Catholic as well as many resources of Catholic prayer.

You realize that the Catholic Church teachings are protected from error by the Holy Spirit.

I hope that you realize that the Catholic Church was formed before the New Testament was written, and it was written by Catholics who were followers of Jesus Christ.

Please read and understand the Bible correctly and if you need help please ask a priest or knowledgeable Catholic.

Yes the Catholic Church welcomes sinners (and we certainly have many) and its goal is lead everyone to love God and our neighbors in order for everyone to gain Heaven with God.

118 posted on 01/18/2015 4:59:27 PM PST by ADSUM
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