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To: Thales Miletus; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Yaelle
You make lots of false assumptions. Why? Does it help you to support your self-righteous 'agnosticism'?

First, the very term 'infinity' has many different uses. As Christians use the term it means 'not finite'. The God we worship as Creator brought time into existence at the big bang. As such the use of infinite to describe God, if used in a temporal sense, is a major inaccuracy. God as Jesus is in a temporal relationship to the created Universe. God The Father Almighty is greater than His creation.

Second, you inserted the word 'separate' when defining the way Christians name the Trinity. That is actually an inaccuracy, also. God manifests as three different individualities, but these are each and at the same time God, thus they cannot be separate or there would be three gods, and God tells us He is one, not three separate.

Jesus explained this connection (unification, not separateness) to Phillip in terms He believed would end the harangue going on between the disciples over whether Jesus was Messiah, The Son of God, thus God with them.

Last, you again expose the agenda of your most recent little foray at FR by using the term 'infinities' in a temporal sense. As shown to you above, that sense of temporal is incorrect, and in your case, deliberately used that way.

So, again, in what context would the proof you seek have to be framed?

124 posted on 01/09/2015 7:25:38 PM PST by MHGinTN
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125 posted on 01/09/2015 7:45:44 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN; Thales Miletus; Alamo-Girl; metmom; marron; hosepipe; YHAOS; xzins
...the very term 'infinity' has many different uses. As Christians use the term it means 'not finite'. The God we worship as Creator brought time into existence at the big bang. As such the use of infinite to describe God, if used in a temporal sense, is a major inaccuracy.

I so agree, dear brother in Christ!

Which is why I think maybe Christians should stop using the term "infinity" with respect to the Being of God.

"Infinity" is, after all, a term from the lexicon of mathematics. It denotes a condition of limitlessness in time, of something without spatiotemporal limit. Which, WRT God, is certainly a reasonable, apperceptive observation.

But it also is an attempt to "reduce God" to human metrics. Which, as I earlier suggested, is an exercise in futility. For such a reduction forgets that God is the Creator of time, and so cannot just be lumped in with the rest of the created furniture of the universe so to be subjected to the imposition of time upon himself.

Maybe, rather than "infinite," we Christians should use the words "eternal," or "timeless." That sort of thing might get rid of certain epistemological difficulties.

Thank you so much for writing, MHGinTN! It's good to hear from you again.

134 posted on 01/10/2015 11:59:09 AM PST by betty boop (Say good-bye to mathematical logic if you wish to preserve your relations with concrete realities!)
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To: MHGinTN
You make lots of false assumptions.

I don't recall making any assumptions, could you clarify or elaborate?

Why? Does it help you to support your self-righteous 'agnosticism'?

I have re-read my comments and don't see any thing that is "self righteous". Could you clarify or elaborate?

First, the very term 'infinity' has many different uses.

The dictionary gives 7, most of them concern a quantity without end.

Last, you again expose the agenda of your most recent little foray at FR by using the term 'infinities' in a temporal sense.

Absolutely not! I used it in the spacial sense. A temporal infinity is correctly called an eternity.

I have been told that all Christians agree that "god" is 1) Omnipotent- all powerful

2) Eternal his duration has no beginning or end.

3) Infinite his length, breadth, and thickness, has no limit.

On the other hand there have been three theories postulated about the universe. It is either expanding, contracting or static. No matter which one you believe the length, breadth, and thickness can be measured.

When I used the term separate I was referring to god's personhood. I did not want it to be confused with the Sabellius belief of modalism. I may not be certain of god's existence, but I am familiar with the way he has been described over the years by any number of groups.

Using your term:God manifests as three different individualities,.

that would present you with 3 different infinities.

All I have done is ask if the existence of god can be proven. I did not ask in a self righteous way or in an antagonistic way. If you think I did than perhaps it says more about you than me.

141 posted on 01/15/2015 4:42:03 PM PST by Thales Miletus
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