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To: Thales Miletus; mitch5501
On the other hand if as Aristotle claimed the Universe has always existed there would be no need for god.

Scientific evidence has ruled that option out.

Einstein's calculations in his general theory of relativity indicated a beginning to the universe, a concept he rejected. To avoid that, he added what was called a cosmological constant, which he later rescinded.

Hubble's red shift observations were instrumental in that as they were the proof needed to show that the universe had a beginning.

Some scientists have gone on to posit alternate universes, multiverses, alternate dimensions, but without solid evidence for them.

They seem to be little more than Einstein's cosmological constant, basically an effort to prove that there is no need for a designer, or god, or God.

And to paraphrase Justice Potter Stewart as to the proof I will accept I will know it when I see it.

You will. And I would lay money on the fact that it's not going to be a *feeling* or *burning in your bosom* or some other vague, unsubstantial *feeling*.

I know to many people there is not much difference between *feeling* and *experience* and sometimes, the lines can be blurred, but when you have an experiential encounter with God, you WILL know it and likely it won't be the warm fuzzies.

112 posted on 01/08/2015 6:03:21 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Perhaps you missed this part of my previous post: This coincides with some scientists that have claimed that the universe is expanding and will begin to contract when it reaches it's elastic limit. At that time it will contract to a singularity and the cycle will begin again.

In other words creation would begin again. An entirely new "Universe" made out of the old universe.

I am not saying any of this is correct, but it is an interesting idea.

113 posted on 01/08/2015 6:52:24 PM PST by Thales Miletus
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To: metmom
Some scientists have gone on to posit alternate universes, multiverses, alternate dimensions, but without solid evidence for them.

You mean like...

...Catholics?

129 posted on 01/10/2015 5:40:08 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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