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12 Claims Every Catholic Should Be Able to Answer; Claim 2
CERC ^ | Deal Hudson

Posted on 01/05/2015 3:27:43 AM PST by NYer

Freedom of speech is a great thing. Unfortunately, it comes at an unavoidable price: When citizens are free to say what they want, theyll sometimes use that freedom to say some pretty silly things. And thats the case with the 12 claims were about to cover.

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Some of them are made over and over, others are rare. Either way, while the proponents of these errors are free to promote them, we as Catholics have a duty to respond.


2.  "Christianity is no better than any other faith. All religions lead to God."

If you haven't heard this one a dozen times, you don't get out much. Sadly enough, the person making this claim is often himself a Christian (at least, in name).

The problems with this view are pretty straightforward. Christianity makes a series of claims about God and man: That Jesus of Nazareth was God Himself, and that he died and was resurrected — all so that we might be free from our sins. Every other religion in the world denies each of these points. So, if Christianity is correct, then it speaks a vital truth to the world — a truth that all other religions reject.

This alone makes Christianity unique.

But it doesn't end there. Recall Jesus' statement in John's Gospel:

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me." In Christianity, we have God's full revelation to humanity. It's true that all religions contain some measure of truth — the amount varying with the religion. Nevertheless, if we earnestly want to follow and worship God, shouldn't we do it in the way He prescribed?

If Jesus is indeed God, then only Christianity contains the fullness of this truth.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: 12claims
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To: metmom; CynicalBear

If you want to take a try at answering my question to CB feel free. Again I asked:

“Riight, and by what authority do you believe you can make this claim? Your own word?

“Or wait, let me guess you’re going to say something like ‘Not by my own authority but the Word of God as Scripture says...’, in other words a circular argument.”

I see no reason to go down a rabbit trail such as you suggest until and unless my question is answered.


221 posted on 01/06/2015 6:15:34 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Elsie
here is the Bible, find out for yourself.

Yep. Now, they didn't exactly throw me to the wolves, so to speak. They helped me. The Navs are very good at followup and Christian training. I have witnessed to MANY people and I have heard just about every excuse there is for not becoming a Christian. None of them, however will hold water.

222 posted on 01/06/2015 6:38:23 AM PST by Mark17 (All thru dark hours dreary, knocking again is He. Jesus are thou not weary, waiting so long for me?)
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To: CynicalBear

Let’s not forget there use of the Islamic moon in there symbols.


223 posted on 01/06/2015 6:43:37 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Daniel 2 Daniel 7 Daniel 9 Revelation 13)
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To: FourtySeven; CynicalBear
“Riight, and by what authority do you believe you can make this claim? Your own word?

Then by the same authority that you decide to believe what you believe.

Everyone has to decide form themselves what they believe and in every case it becomes each person's own personal interpretation of Scripture.

The fact that Catholics have decided to throw in their lot with the pre-packaged teachings of Catholicism makes it no less their own personal interpretation of Scripture than anyone else's.

Whether you work through it on your own or just accept some else's work, the individual at some point, needs to decide that that interpretation is correct and accept it.

It is therefore, a PERSONAL decision on the part of each and every person. The fact that it happens to agree with other's interpretations does not negate the fact that individually, each person has decided on their own, what they are going to believe, what they are going to accept as truth.

So CB and I and a whole bunch of others, throw in out lot with Scripture under the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit. Others accept church teachings in lieu of that.

224 posted on 01/06/2015 6:54:34 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: FourtySeven; metmom; CynicalBear
I see no reason to go down a rabbit trail such as ...

No reason to leave the trail you already took! It is more often referred to as the "garden path*"!

There is no foundation we can have other than Scripture to lead us into all Truth, as inspired by God's Holy Spirit.

* "led up the garden path", an idiom suggesting that one is being deceived or led astray.

225 posted on 01/06/2015 6:55:08 AM PST by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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To: Zathras
>>Please good people of FR, can we just choose to believe the best of our fellow Freepers?<<

Don't worry. The cumbaya, let's all get along crowd is working to join all religion under one as we speak. Be advised however that true followers of Christ will not be a part of that.

226 posted on 01/06/2015 6:56:52 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: FourtySeven
>>Riiight, and by what authority do you believe you can make this claim? Your own word?<<

Oh no, not my own word.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

And no, I don't expect you to understand that.

227 posted on 01/06/2015 7:28:00 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: StoneWall Brigade
>>Let’s not forget there use of the Islamic moon in there symbols.<<

Of course! As well as symbols from every pagan religion known. It's all to make them feel welcome in the one world religion. Cardinal Newman admitted such.

"We are told in various ways by Eusebius that Constantine in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen transferred into it the outward ornaments to which they had been accustomed in their own. [Cardinal Newman, Development of the Christian Doctrine pg 373]

228 posted on 01/06/2015 7:36:13 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Elsie

And I pray it every day, with love, and gratitude, to the Mother of Jesus and of us all!


229 posted on 01/06/2015 9:09:57 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: CynicalBear

Mary is stepping on the moon, as the woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of 12 stars!


230 posted on 01/06/2015 9:12:46 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: CynicalBear
Well, it's about time you folks came up with an answer! Interesting choice of sites,

DECEPTION IN THE CHURCH dot com?

You also left out the next sentence:The photo of that gesture has been shown repeatedly on Iraqi television and it demonstrates that the Pope is not only aware of the suffering of the Iraqi people, he has also great respect for Islam."

The photo was taken in 1995. Saddam Hussein was still in power. The Iraqi people were under oppression. It is worthwhile to mention that JPII, as he is affectionately known, loved all people of all faiths. He wasn't hating and relishing the idea of people going to hell. He grew up with Jews and saw their persecution under the Nazis, because he lived among the Jews and was in danger himself for practicing his Faith. When the Communists took over, he stood his ground and remained in his formation of the Catholics under his care as Archbishop of Krakow. He was not about war, he was about loving even your enemies. Gee, didn't Jesus say we should do that?

BTW, Why are you answering for Metmom's post, and why have you still not answered my last post to you? God bless you, Bear! Believe as you choose! Continue to interpret Scripture as you see fit, I'm sticking with my Catholic Faith!

231 posted on 01/06/2015 9:48:10 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: CynicalBear
Oh no, not my own word.

No! As always, your own interpretation of the Word!

232 posted on 01/06/2015 9:54:09 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: CynicalBear

True followers of Christ love God, their neighbor, and their enemies.


233 posted on 01/06/2015 10:00:25 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: metmom
in every case it becomes each person's own personal interpretation of Scripture.

Not every case! There are those of us Catholics who follow the Magisterium that is, teaching authority, of the Church. I choose to be Catholic.

What I read here are impositions of others' self-interpreted beliefs in a forum about the Catholic Church which takes the original topic off-track!

234 posted on 01/06/2015 10:10:45 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: BlueDragon
LOVE THE GRAPHIC! : )

Thank you! The discussion had gotten, well, anyway yeah, I needed to close my FReeper day with a prayer to Jesus.

Peace be with you!

235 posted on 01/06/2015 10:40:15 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: Grateful2God
>>True followers of Christ love God, their neighbor, and their enemies.<<

I agree. What a hateful unloving thing it would be to knowingly allow others to perish in error without saying something.

236 posted on 01/06/2015 10:41:21 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Your prayer is worthless, and will not be heard by God.

Let's let God decide that, shall we?

237 posted on 01/06/2015 10:46:38 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: Grateful2God

Just because you decided to accept the Catholic church’s interpretation as your own does not make it any less your own.

You still, personally, had to decide that you thought it was correct.


238 posted on 01/06/2015 10:47:56 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Grateful2God; metmom
Nice attempt at defending the indefensible but scripture doesn't allow for that.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

BTW When you mention someone in a post that person is supposed to be pinged.

239 posted on 01/06/2015 11:00:14 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: MamaB
Hi MamaB!

I will continue to defend my SB beliefs when we are told we are going to hell because we are not catholic. No religion has a right to declare they are the only way to heaven. Some protestants say the same about their church and I do not believe them either. No where in the Bible does it say we have to be Catholic or another denomination.

I'm Catholic, and have been vehemently criticised for my belief that Jesus died for all mankind; that we need to love God and love our neighbor. Each of us believes our Churches, yours Southern Baptist and mine Roman Catholic, has the fullness of the Truth. If a person believes they've found the truth in a denomination, why would they not choose to belong? God bless you! Keep the faith, rejoice in it, and may it give you joy, peace, and all the other Fruits of the Holy Spirit mentioned in Scripture! And may we meet someday together in Heaven!

God be with you!

240 posted on 01/06/2015 11:01:43 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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