The Europeans know what they are doing with their church politics, keep them voting democrat, this environmental political statement will help them greatly.
Posted on 12/31/2014 11:01:03 AM PST by BlatherNaut
...The church is prioritizing climate change just months after the Scripps Institution of Oceanography's Veerabhadran "Ram" Ramanathan organized a Vatican meeting on the issue.
Ramanathan said the discussion, which spanned four days in May, was encouraging.
"The Vatican agreed that we need a massive mobilization of public opinion about the seriousness of the issue, and why it's our responsibility to be good stewards of the planet," he said.
Ramanathan is a member of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. He believes religious leaders are now in a better position than scientists to inspire action....
(Excerpt) Read more at kpbs.org ...
I don’t know about the “moderate” label when it’s applied to some of my relatives on Long Island.
My cousin’s husband is a cop, and he’s conservative. He despises Obama.
Another cousin is an elementary school teacher on Long Island. During Hurricane Sandy in 2012, she said she would swim to the polls if she had to in order to vote against Obama.
She once told me in an e-mail, “I want him and his vacationing family GONE!” LOL.
She also told me she used to have a Christmas party at her house for her fellow teachers, but now she told me she stopped doing that because she can’t stand being around most of them anymore.
I’m a non-practicing Catholic myself. I would boot all the illegals out of America if I had my way, and place the active-duty military on the border from the Pacific to The Gulf of Mexico.
Don’t even get me started on the pope. I knew we were in for a rough ride when I heard he was a Jesuit.
A cop union member and New Yorker?
A teacher union member and New Yorker?
And who said anything about “illegals”, I said immigration.
The Pope needs to concentrate on religious doctrine rather than frauds like “climate change”.
“The Vatican” doesn’t speak for the Pope, usually.
But should we be surprised with how Catholics vote? Aren’t they voting exactly how they’ve been taught to vote? There is only one message that has been delivered to the Catholics in the pews for a very long time, and that is the redistribution of wealth message.
The USCCB and their bishops are all about the second collection. They teach Catholics virtually nothing about what must be done to achieve eternal salvation. Consequently, we see out children and grandchildren enter into marriages that crumble at the first sign of discomfort––if they even bother to get married. A child or two is the limit, if that many; and what grandparent can say with a straight face that their grandchildren do not totally and completely embrace homosexuality. And the bishops say not a word.
That’s the belief system that these Catholic bishops have impressed on Catholics, and that is the belief system of the non-Catholics in this country as well. So who then could be surprised if Catholics vote exactly like the rest of the country.
Both of them are not only union members, life-long New Yorkers, and Catholic, but conservative, too.
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“And who said anything about ‘illegals,’ I said immigration.”
Sorry! Everytime I hear the lame-stream media say “immigration,” they always mean illegal immigration, so it was a reflex reaction.
JFK set out to destroy America and replace it’s people and culture, with immigration, not illegals, legal immigration is quicker, bigger, and they can collect welfare and vote quicker.
I heard two-thirds of legal immigrants vote for democrats.
I remember back in 1996 when Bill Clinton rushed to give citizenship to recent legal immigrants. The republicans complained that background checks were not conducted on these recent immigrants, but Clinton blew off the GOP....he knew that two out of three would vote for him in the November 1996 election.
Ram is the engineer who helped determine the earth’s poles would be free of ice by the year 2000.
He’s not a scientist.
With exceptions, of course, --- blessed exceptions.
Catholics vote like other Americans (at least 50% Obamunist) because Catholics think like other Americans. And it is because the teachers are not teaching.
And some people respond "Well then, I'm abandoning the Church." Really? The solution to the catastrophic abandonment of the Church, is to abandon the Church?
You have to exercise Catholic Truth wherever you are. How you teach your kids, get involved in RCIA or Youth Formation, or Adult religious ed, consult with your pastor and your DRE, take charge of the weekly bulletin or parish newsletter, do what you can, where you can.
A month ago I finished reading Sigrid Undset's biography of St. Catherine of Siena. She had no position in this world: she was not a Princess or Countess or Queen, not the daughter of a noble family or the wife of a prosperous tradesman, she was not the daughter, sister, or mother of knights or prelates, she was not an Abbess or a learned choir sister, she could read Latin (she read the Psalms) but could not write it, nor could she read or write her native Tuscan, wave after wave of epidemic disease wracked Tuscany and decimated her family, and she was in poor health for most of her short life (she died at 33.)
So the Lord made her a reformer of Popes and Emperors.
I mean, you give yourself to the Lord! And then you do what you can!
St. Francis of Assisi, pray for us.
St. Ignatius of Loyola, pray for us.
St. Catherine of Siena, reformer of the papacy, pray for us!
When JFK became president the democrats had only won the non-Catholic Christian vote, twice, once for FDR in 1932, and then for FDR in 1936, and that was it, JFK devoted his political life to replacing the traditional population of America, with a population that would vote for his party.
Today, the democrat party depends on a coalition of those non-Protestant voters.
Science fiction writer, more like.
He claims that society can reduce the rate of "global warming" by as much as 50% in our lifetimes.
"Agorniamento" has resulted in mass apostasy.
You mean that they vote like the Americans who are not Christians, if they voted with the majority of the Christian Americans who are not Catholic, then things would be very different.
The Catholic vote has helped collapse the culture by being a force for the left, and not just in feeding the corrupt big city machines and unionism, for instance the non catholic Christian vote went against FDR in 1940 and 1944, just as it went against Truman and Kennedy, and Clinton and Al gore, Obama and so on.
America is coming to resemble it's Catholic neighbors, in corruption and moral decay, and the vote determines that path.
CO2 is good for rain forests
Period.
Al Gore and the Pope are morons.
Period.
Or maybe it's t'other way around.
Maybe some religious sociologist will have to look at this more comprehensively than either you or I have done so far, but I have seen the exact symmetrical opposite of what you say. Seriously.
What I have seen --- since at least the age of nine, when I started noticing things, and that would be 1960 or so --- is a recurring current, inside and outside the Catholic church, pushing Catholics to be "more American."
As early as 1898 Pope Leo XIII detected this tendency in its larval form and coined a new term, "Americanist heresy," to describe the overall bias in favor of Catholic assimilation to WASP political and ecclesial ideals. I, personally, don't recall any public figure from my childhood ever saying he seriously wanted to make America more Catholic (I will salute the single saintly exception of Bishop Fulton Sheen) but I couldn't count on all my fingers and toes the number of times we were nudge, nudge, nudged to be more miscible, more Vacation-Bible-School, more Boy Scout, more American.
Jack Kennedy, after all, appealed to the electorate, not by saying he was such a comprehensive Catholic, but by pledging in public that he was nothing of the kind. He swore he had no truck with creeds or popes, policies or preferences, traceable to the Catholic Church. His famous address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association was just the capstone of this series.
Prominent Catholics were constantly trying to shuck their "distinctives" --- whether minor or major, whether it was changing their non-WASP surnames (how many thousands of Schmidts became Smiths?) or effacing their own monuments (the Church "Wreckovation" movement which stripped down Catholic sanctuaries until they looked like they'd been vandalized by Calvinist iconoclasts).
Our Catholic youth groups either went toward Pentecostalism (Charismatic) or Youth Band Praise Chorus. Teenagers of my generation were given the idea they could reinvent liturgies along the lines of any Jesusy Godspell impulse. Our hymnals were filled with Protestant ditties--- not all bad, mind you, I can love me some Wesley or Watts --- but just thin, thin and banal when compared to the treasuries of Catholic liturgical music which were thrown by the boxful into the dumpsters around 1965-75.
Three generations of people-pleasing priests became assertively "ecumenical" --- happy to encourage the view that "We're Just Like You" -- "You" being anything that isn't papist.
And anyone who pushed for something that would disturb the neighbors as being intellectually, culturally or politically Catholic, was chided for being Triumphalists or tribalists or paleo-something.
"Parochialism" was a bad word, and Federal and local governments cooperated to break up or bulldoze parish-based ethnic neighborhoods --- and of course that means Catholic voting blocs--- often under the pretext of "urban renewal" (we called it "urban removal.") E. Michael Jones was right about that (LINK)
In things large scale and small, the prevailing wind was always pushing Catholic Americans away from "Catholic" and toward "American," which could have either a secularist or a Protestant tinge (in my childhood America was still culturally Protestant) but it was always "NOT the way you did things in Rheinpfalz" (or Galway or Gdansk).
So politically, we've got Catholic Supreme Court justices indistinguishable from Episcopalians, and Catholic Congressmen that palaver like Methodists? And Catholic voters that vote (within 1 percentage point plus or minus), like Everybody Else? Imagine my surprise.
The whole problem with the Catholic voters; the Catholic politicos; the Catholic opinion-leaders; is that they are not Catholic enough. I would be a happier woman if they were all members of the Catholic faction of the Catholic Church. And you might be more satisfied --- or if not, you would have a quite different set of things to complain about.
It could be objected that I am painting with a broad brush --- the polemic form has something to do with that --- but manifestly, in my lifetime, American Catholics became more assimilated to American Broad Church Christianity; not the reverse; and I'd say for worse.
Since warming is zero, we can reduce it any amount we want. But we need more CO2 so the plants don’t die.
The Europeans know what they are doing with their church politics, keep them voting democrat, this environmental political statement will help them greatly.
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