That statement is absurdly uninformed. I will give you 3:
1. Matt 24:29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ 30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
While you explain away plain scripture that this does not refer to the Church but rather the Jews because of the use of the word "elect", I suggest you do a word study of "elect" every time it appears in the NT. Not once does the word refer to the Jewish people!
2. 1 Cor 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
For insight into what happens at the Seventh (last) of the trumpets, see Rev 11:15-19.
3. 1 Thess 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
Every time the Bible gives any hint of timing regarding the rapture, it always is at the end of the tribulation! One must twist, turn and jump to explain away the plain meaning of these verses, based on the un-Biblical preconceived belief in the pre-trib rapture.
“Matt 24: 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”
It would appear that Jesus is quoting from Daniel concerning Israel, not the church.
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
3. is 2 Thessalonians and is very explicit. If everyone would just read the Bible it is simple to understand that Jesus never says He comes back twice. I do like going through these and see what they are doing.
And why not...It's clear in the O.T. that the elect are the Jews...
Isa_45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Luk_18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
I believe all of the references in the N.T. of the elect are Jews, or a remnant thereof...
1 Cor 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Trump
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Perhaps from G4535 (through the idea of quavering or reverberation); a trumpet: - trump (-et).
1Co_15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed
I believe the KJV has the correct translation since the Greek word more represents the sound a trumpet makes than the actual trumpet...And that definitely fits the narrative...
The 'church' is last heard of at the end of Rev. 3...Before the Tribulation starts...And what do we hear in Rev. 4:1??? COME UP HITHER (the Rapture)...
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
A trumpet...A voice that resembles a trumpet blasting; a Trump (of a trumpet)...Before the Tribulation...Imagine that...
1 Thess 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.>/i>
Every time the Bible gives any hint of timing regarding the rapture, it always is at the end of the tribulation! One must twist, turn and jump to explain away the plain meaning of these verses, based on the un-Biblical preconceived belief in the pre-trib rapture.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
Paul is speaking of two separate events there; the gathering together (the Rapture) and the 2nd Coming...
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Someone told these people they missed the Rapture and that the next event they would see is Jesus coming to the Earth...So of course they were shook up...Paul re-assured them that first the man of sin had to be revealed and so not to worry about it...The gathering together (Rapture) would take place first...
Just thought of something cool. In Matthew and Mark Jesus that “[AFTER] the tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars fall from heaven...”
the moon can’t give off reflected light because its light source is dark. We won’t be able to see the moon. I’m thinking a bunch of asteroids between the sun and earth? Just guessing, of course.
Also, Jesus’ way of speaking makes the sun a source of light but not the moon?
amen, I agree. we are sanctified and protected, but not removed, until Christ’s return.