Posted on 12/22/2014 8:58:00 PM PST by marshmallow
The president of the German bishops' conference has said that the bishops favor allowing divorced and remarried Catholics to share in the Eucharist.
Cardinal Reinhard Marx said that most bishops support 'differentiated solutions that do justice to the individual case and under certain conditions allow admission to the sacraments.” Cardinal Marx-- who is also a member of the Council of Cardinals-- had signaled his own support for the "Kasper proposal" during October's meeting of the Synod of Bishops. But he took an additional step by saying that the German episcopal conference as a body would back the proposal.
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The Germans will allow this (and the Dutch, Belgians and Austrians too, more than likely). It's what happens after that which is the critical question.
St. Cyril Of Alexandria: They who make a sacrilegious Communion receive Satan and Jesus Christ into their hearts—Satan, that they may let him rule, and Jesus Christ, that they may offer Him in a sacrifice as a Victim to Satan.
Cardinal Marx??
That’s almost as good as Cardinal Sin of the Philippines.
There could well be another German revolt against Christianity just in time to celebrate Luther’s revolt against Christianity.
About 95% of American bishops give Communion to pro-aborts—which is EXACTLY the same sin as giving Communion to the divorced-and-illicitly-remarried. It is IDIOTIC and inconsistent to support one and oppose the other.
The Church is OBLIGED to deny Communion to those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin. WHAT that sin is is entirely irrelevant.
Someday, most or all people will understand how STUPID the discussions currently taking place really are—i.e., how STUPID it is for bishops to argue that Communion must be denied on account of some grave sins but not others.
Freaky.
I guess he does this weird thing at wells, so if you have a problem with that have somebody else fetch your water.
Word to the wise.
yes, but remember: The church there gets tax money, so the bishops don’t have to worry that only ten percent of Catholics bother to go to church.
So those bishops “favor” this, huh? Gee, I suppose the Church has now become a club in which any member may table a motion, which can then be considered through parliamentary procedure?
+1
Why do you guys oppose Jesus???
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
How to keep the revenue from the church tax going. Divorced Catholics are opting out.
First of all, NO serious scholar or theologian would ever base a theological conclusion on a TRANSLATION of Scripture, or on a single verse, even in the original language.
Second: That verse is commonly translated differently, and is interpreted to mean that, if the “wife” is in fact a partner in an illicit relationship in the first place, it is not wrong to “put her away.” I.e., “except in case of adultery” does NOT mean a marriage may be dissolved if adultery occurs, but that Jesus is talking about the indissolubility of genuine marriages, and is not talking about adulterous “marriages.”
The teaching of Jesus Christ is that all valid marriages are indissoluble.
THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO WORK WITH...All conclusions are based upon translations...
Second: That verse is commonly translated differently
New International Version
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
New Living Translation
And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery--unless his wife has been unfaithful."
English Standard Version
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”
New American Standard Bible
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
King James Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
And I tell you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."
International Standard Version
I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
NET Bible
Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But I say to you, “Whoever divorces his wife apart from adultery and will take another, commits adultery, and whoever will take her who is divorced commits adultery.”
GOD'S WORD® Translation
I can guarantee that whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than her unfaithfulness is committing adultery if he marries another woman."
Jubilee Bible 2000
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication and shall marry another, commits adultery, and whosoever marries her that is put away commits adultery.
King James 2000 Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her who is put away does commit adultery.
American King James Version
And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her which is put away does commit adultery.
American Standard Version
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery. Douay-Rheims Bible
And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
Darby Bible Translation
But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, not for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery; and he who marries one put away commits adultery.
English Revised Version
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.
Webster's Bible Translation
And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except for lewdness, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoever marrieth her who is put away, committeth adultery.
Weymouth New Testament
And I tell you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except her unfaithfulness, and marries another woman, commits adultery."
World English Bible
I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries her when she is divorced commits adultery."
Young's Literal Translation
'And I say to you, that, whoever may put away his wife, if not for whoredom, and may marry another, doth commit adultery; and he who did marry her that hath been put away, doth commit adultery.'
Well, we can see there wasn't a lick of accuracy to that statement of yours...
Second: That verse is commonly translated differently, and is interpreted to mean that, if the “wife” is in fact a partner in an illicit relationship in the first place, it is not wrong to “put her away.” I.e., “except in case of adultery” does NOT mean a marriage may be dissolved if adultery occurs, but that Jesus is talking about the indissolubility of genuine marriages, and is not talking about adulterous “marriages.”
Why would you want to put a private interpretation to it when it is so clear, unless, you didn't like what the plain speech said???
And then we have to recognize that these Jewish people were still under the Law...But what does Paul have to say to the church about it while it is under grace???
1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
1Co 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
Can't get any more clear than that...If you are divorced and remarry, it is NOT a sin...
1) Did you know that there are people who can read GREEK?
2) It is only in the last century or a little more, that ANY Christians have started to hold that divorce can end a valid marriage.
I will stick with what ALL Christians believed for 1800 years, as opposed to what SOME Christians have believed for the past 120 years or so.
The New American Bible translates this passage as:
But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the
marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery,
and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Yep...And I also know that every piece of Greek out there that you or I can access is a translation...There about 35 of those Greek translations out there...
2) It is only in the last century or a little more, that ANY Christians have started to hold that divorce can end a valid marriage.
It's pretty clear from the scriptures that people started believing about 2000 years ago that divorce can end a marriage...Just because your religion doesn't like that idea doesn't or has never made it true...
I will stick with what ALL Christians believed for 1800 years, as opposed to what SOME Christians have believed for the past 120 years or so.
Not me...I'll stick with what God said a couple a thousand years ago...
But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
I just posted scriptures from over 20 popular bible which all agree with each other, including the Catholic Douay Rheims version...And you post ONE contrary version which happens to be one of the most modern versions and which happens to be the most modern version put out by your religion...
In view of the evidence, I don't believe you have a credible source...The version you picked doesn't even seem to be very popular in your own religion...
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