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To: CynicalBear; EagleOne; SpirituTuo
So you are God, Judge and Jury and accuse the Catholic Church of lies and preaching a false gospel.

I don't think you have standing.

You just seem to ignore the facts and the information that is presented to you, and you just come with rash statements that are not in context.

See posting 642, 626 and 401. The link will send you to the Catholic Bishops website where you can get knowledge about the Catholic faith.

http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/prayers-and-devotions/mary-and-the-saints/frequently-asked-questions-about-blessed-virgin-mary.cfm

You must be assuming that everything that Jesus and the Apostles did was written in the Bible. As Catholics, we also have our traditions and the Magisterium to help us understand moral law and follow the path of Christ.

766 posted on 12/15/2014 6:19:43 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
>>You must be assuming that everything that Jesus and the Apostles did was written in the Bible.<<

So simply show that the apostles taught the assumption of Mary. The Catholic Church doesn't even know where she lived out her life here on earth. She was obviously so unimportant to the people at the time nobody even kept track of where she lived.

793 posted on 12/15/2014 6:55:06 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM
You must be assuming that everything that Jesus and the Apostles did was written in the Bible. As Catholics, we also have our traditions and the Magisterium to help us understand moral law and follow the path of Christ.

No, we don't have a daily record of everything Jesus or Peter or Paul ever did. No one has ever claimed that.

What we do claim is that the writings the Apostles have given to us are sufficient for knowing who Christ is, knowing we are sinners, and knowing how we can find forgiveness of sins. That is sufficient.

The Bible tells us we have two intercessors in Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The Word tells us they are constantly making intercession for us.

Yet catholicism tells us the Mary does a better job than these two do....with no Biblical support to back it up.

Other religions have additional books and teachings they claim support the Bible as well....that they are additional teachings. They even cite selected verses to attempt to show their "belief" in the Bible. However, when examined they are in contradiction of the Word.

That is the issue with the catholic church on Mary.

This is from Pope Leo XIII as an example.

We constantly seek for help from Heaven - the sole means of effecting anything - that our labours and our care may obtain their wished for object. We deem that there could be no surer and more efficacious means to this end than by religion and piety to obtain the favour of the great Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, the guardian of our peace and the minister to us of heavenly grace, who is placed on the highest summit of power and glory in Heaven, in order that she may bestow the help of her patronage on men who through so many labours and dangers are striving to reach that eternal city. …..showing that the Catholic Church has always, and with justice, put all her hope and trust in the Mother of God. SUPREMI APOSTOLATUS OFFICIO ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIIION DEVOTION OF THE ROSARY

Notice that false teachings....the catholic church has put ALL of her hope and trust in Mary.

She is on the highest summit in Heaven....not God....not Jesus...but Mary.

I guess when John was given the Revelation and was able to see the Throne, he somehow missed Mary.

Not Jesus. ALL the hope of the Roman Catholic Church is in Mary. Not Jesus....the One Who died for our sins.

It sounds nice what the Pope wrote....but it is a lie out of the pit. This is how the enemy works.

A little, except in this case it's a lot, deviation or twisting of the Word. Pretty soon you're so far off base you don't realize it.

The RCC is so proud of this "tradition" that they could not back off now if they wanted to. Too much time, money and energy is invested in this. If they came out tomorrow and said "we're wrong on Mary", the whole thing would collapse.

794 posted on 12/15/2014 6:55:07 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM
You must be assuming that everything that Jesus and the Apostles did was written in the Bible.

You must be wrong.

ROME teaches that many important things are NOT found in the bible; and only IT has the 'correct' teaching.

959 posted on 12/16/2014 6:04:47 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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