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To: annalex; Mrs. Don-o; Springfield Reformer; CynicalBear; Elsie
That, even if true, does not change anything about the Canon. Those fathers were not Potestants; they did not go off to start their own pseudo-churches over this issue. The Church as a whole accepted the Deuterocanon as canon and rejected apocrypha. That is all there is to it.

Try not to lose track of your OWN argument here, annalex. You were the one who insisted Paul meant the "Septuagint" when he advised Timothy that all Scripture is given by inspiration of God. You also stated that, since the Deuterocanonicals/Apocryphals were in the Septuagint, it meant that Paul was referring to these books as well as the undisputed Old Testament ones. Since there is plenty of real evidence that the Apostles did not refer to these books as Divinely-inspired, they never quoted from one or said, "It is written...", and there was NO formal dogmatic statement of even the Roman Catholic church on the status of these book until the sixteenth century Council of Trent, then Paul could not have been conferring OR suggesting divine origin for these books when he wrote his epistle to Timothy in the first century.

And you are quite incorrect - the WHOLE church certainly was NOT accepting of these books as canonical seeing as they were STILL being refuted BY RC clergy into Trent and after - ALL fifteen of them. That really IS all there is to it. Why be so obstinate in defending what cannot be defended? By selecting seven out of the fifteen Apocryphal books in the Septuagint to place in their "official" canon, Roman Catholicism presumed itself in authority over God's divine word and continues to bring His judgment over the rest of the false doctrines and accursed gospel being preached there. They place faithful Catholics in a tight spot by expecting them to stand up to valid criticism about these disputed books or admit Rome was wrong. I almost feel sorry for y'all....almost.

6,286 posted on 01/17/2015 7:57:58 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; annalex; Mrs. Don-o; Springfield Reformer; Elsie
>>I almost feel sorry for y'all....almost.<<

Ditto that! Time and time again the truth from scripture is posted only to be either ignored or denied by Catholics. The indoctrination by that church is obviously complete for some. Cultish adherence is the only way to describe it.

6,298 posted on 01/18/2015 6:30:19 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: boatbums; Mrs. Don-o; Springfield Reformer; CynicalBear; Elsie
Since there is plenty of real evidence that the Apostles did not refer to these books as Divinely-inspired

The only time the New Testament mentions divine inspiration of scripture is in the disputes passage from 2 Timothy, and there is only descibed the Old Testament using words "all" and "known from Timothy's infancy".

Roman Catholicism presumed itself in authority over God's divine word

The church certainly has the authority over what is and what is not the canon of the Holy Scripture.

6,317 posted on 01/18/2015 2:18:25 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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