Exactly what do you mean "You keep trying the anti-Semite card ?" Do you have something to say ? Martin Luther, who wrote On the Jews and Their Lies, which had a seven point plan to destroy the Jews which the Nazi Party incorporated ? Is that the "anti-Semite card" you wish to argue ? Do you wish to defend Luther ? Go for it. Do you wish to defend Sola Fide that a man can viciously hate the Jewish people and plot against them until his dying day and go straight to heaven ? Go for it. DR. MARX: Apart from your weekly journal, and particularly after the Party came into power, were there any other publications in Germany which treated the Jewish question in an anti-Semitic way?
STREICHER: Anti-Semitic publications have existed in Germany for centuries. A book I had, written by Dr. Martin Luther, was, for instance, confiscated. Dr. Martin Luther would very probably sit in my place in the defendants' dock today, if this book had been taken into consideration by the Prosecution. In the book The Jews and Their Lies, Dr. Martin Luther writes that the Jews are a serpent's brood and one should burn down their synagogues and destroy them...
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DR. MARX: Now I come to the picture books which appeared in Der Stuermer publishing house. You know that two picture books were published, one with the title, Trust No Fox in the Field, and the other one with the title, The Poisonous Toadstool. Do you assume responsibility for these picture books?
STREICHER: Yes. May I say, by way of summary, that I assume responsibility for everything which was written by my assistants or which came into my publishing house.
DR. MARX: Who was the author of these picture books?
STREICHER: The book Trust No Fox in the Field and No Jew Under His Oath was done and illustrated by a young woman artist, and she also wrote the text. The title which appears on the picture book is from Dr. Martin Luther.
Yes, as warned, your own popes had an attitude against Jews anbd advocated ill treatment.
Do you wish to defend Luther ? Go for it. Do you wish to defend Sola Fide that a man can viciously hate the Jewish people and plot against them until his dying day and go straight to heaven
That is not the argument at all, and resorting to try to make it that is a specious argument against Protestantism, and indicates desperation or a preoccupation with anti-antisemitism which you seem blind to in your own church.
Do you wish to defend Sola Fide that a man can viciously hate the Jewish people and plot against them until his dying day and go straight to heaven ?
Do you think Luther always had this bitterness, which developed as a result of continual rejection and hardened blasphemy that his RC contemporaries testified to. Moses was provoked by them to speak unadvisedly with his lips,(Ps. 106:33) but how much more Luther, and inexcusably so.
Do you think Luther even taught such a faith as salvific, and know that passionate Luther did not repent? "For it is impossible for him who believes in Christ, as a just Savior, not to love and to do good. If, however, he does not do good nor love, it is sure that faith is not present.." [Sermons of Martin Luther 1:40]
For if your heart is in the state of faith that you know your God has revealed himself to you to be so good and merciful, without thy merit, and purely gratuitously, while you were still his enemy and a child of eternal wrath; if you believe this, you cannot refrain from showing yourself so to your neighbor; and do all out of love to God and for the welfare of your neighbor. Therefore, see to it that you make no distinction between friend and foe, the worthy and the unworthy; for you see that all who were here mentioned, have merited from us something different than that we should love and do them good. And the Lord also teaches this, when in Luke 6:35 he says: "But love your enemies, and do good unto them, and lend, never despairing; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be sons of the Most High: for he is kind toward the unthankful and evil." [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:101]
Do you as a RC argue that the iniquities of a leader impugn all the beliefs of that church? Do you even think we follow Luther as a pope? Do you think the words and actions of popes did not also contribute to antisemitism in Germany and elsewhere? Do you think Rome is more pro-Israel than evangelicals, and not for eschatological reasons?
Just what is your problem that you seem to inevitably resort to the "Luther was an anti-Semite" screed to deal with the Reformation. Are you acting out of being a victim of anti-antisemitism that prevents you from dealing with this issue objectively and in context?
Do you wish to defend Sola Ecclesia as meaning men can require physical extermination of people even such as me as well as manifest hate of the Jewish people and work against them and end up in heaven without repentance?
The crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection.(Pope Innocent III, Epistle to the Hierarchy of France, July 15, 1205)
It would be licit, according to custom, to hold the Jews in perpetual servitude because of their crime. (St. Thomas Aquinas, De Regimine Judaeorum)
In The Popes Against the Jews : The Vatican's Role in the Rise of Modern Anti-Semitism, historian David Kertzer notes,
the legislation enacted in the 1930s by the Nazis in their Nuremberg Laws and by the Italian Fascists with their racial lawswhich stripped the Jews of their rights as citizenswas modeled on measures that the [Roman Catholic] Church itself had enforced for as long as it was in a position to do so (9).
In 1466,
in festivities sponsored by Pope Paul II, Jews were made to race naked through the streets of the city. A particularly evocative later account describes them: Races were run on each of the eight days of the Carnival by horses, asses and buffaloes, old men, lads, children, and Jews. Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them, and at the same time, more amusing for the spectators. They ran from the Arch of Domitian to the Church of St. Mark at the end of the Corso at full tilt, amid Romes taunting shrieks of encouragement and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily. Two centuries later, these practices, now deemed indecorous and unbefitting the dignity of the Holy City, were stopped by Clement IX. In their place the Pope assessed a heavy tax on the Jews to help pay the costs of the citys Carnival celebrations.
But various other Carnival rites continued. For many years the rabbis of the ghetto were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the streets to the jeers of the crow, pelted by a variety of missiles. Such rites were not peculiar to Rome. In Pisa in the eighteenth century, for example, it was customary each year, as part of Carnival, for students to chase after the fattest Jew in the city, capture him, weigh him, and then make him give them his weight in sugar-coated almonds.
In 1779, Pius VI resurrected some of the Carnival rites that had been neglected in recent years. Most prominent among them was the feudal rite of homage, in which ghetto officials, made to wear special clothes, stood before an unruly mob in a crowded piazza, making an offering to Romes governors.
It was this practice that occasioned the formal plea from the ghetto to Pope Gregory XVI in 1836. The Jews argued that such rites should be abandoned, and cited previous popes who had ordered them halted. They asked that, in his mercy, the Pope now do the same. On November 5, the Pope met with his secretary of state to discuss the plea. A note on the secretary of states copy of the petition, along with his signature, records the Popes decision: It is not opportune to make any innovation. The annual rites continued.
When all is said and done, the [Roman Catholic] Churchs claim of lack of responsibility for the kind of anti-Semitism that made the Holocaust possible comes down to this: The Roman Catholic Church never called for, or sanctioned, the mass murder of the Jews. Yes, the Jews should be stripped of their rights as equal citizens. Yes, they should be kept from contact with the rest of society. But Christian Charity and Christian theology forbade good Christians to round them up and murder them.
Canons of the 4th Lateran Council
Text. The more the Christians are restrained from the practice of usury, the more are they oppressed in this matter by the treachery of the Jews, so that in a short time they exhaust the resources of the Christians. -http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran4.html
In 581 the Synod of Macon enacted in canon 14 that from Thursday in Holy Week until Easter Sunday, .Jews may not in accordance with a decision of King Childebert appear in the streets and in public places. Mansi, IX, 934; Hefele-Leclercq, 111, 204. In 1227 the Synod of Narbonne in canon 3 ruled: "That Jews may be distinguished from others, we decree and emphatically command that in the center of the breast (of their garments) they shall wear an oval badge, the measure of one finger in width and one half a palm in height. -Mansi, XXIII, 22; Hefele-Leclercq V 1453. - http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Popes%20Against%20the%20Jews