I did NOT base any beliefs on them. On that key point, you are incorrect.
We were discussing St. Paul's precepts at 1 Cor. 14 and 1 Tim. 2 that women should not preach, teach, ask questions in public, or exercise leadership, at least under some circumstances. Nobody has given me, on this thread, an explanation of what their belief is today. Do Paul's limits on women, limit today's Christian woman from all preaching, teaching, and leadership, or not? Or to what extent?
I can't speak of YOUR beliefs, CynicalBear, or metmom's, or anybody else's, because you have not told me what you believe on this score, or what your teachers teach on it.
So, reasonably, I am using tentative language to say "may" or "might" of "if that's the case."
So I will put the question to you directly. Do you think Paul's precepts to the Corinthians and to Timothy mean:
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So, CynicalBear, metmom, boatbums, mitch5501, Mark17--- educate me. What limits on women are to be observed because of what Paul said in the cited passages?
Sure they have. Multiple times. This is not the "church" and nothing in scripture denies a woman the right to quote scripture. If you find anywhere in scripture that denies a woman to stand up for what scripture teaches let us know. Not one of the woman here is attempting to exert authority over a man that I have found. If you have let us know.
Those who are trying to silence the women here love to bring up Paul's words to Timothy but I don't see them applying what is also included there. Do they also demand that women not braid their hair? How about wearing any jewellery? No gold or pearls worn by Catholic women? How about costly garments? Do Catholic women remain quiet?
Romans 16:11 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
Phoebe a deacon? Say it ain't so.
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Was Peter talking to just the men? If you think so would you please show the source?
Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Women should teach? Do Catholic women also all stay at home?
The only restriction Paul gives is that women should not have spiritual authority over the man. Those here who would like to wield Paul's letters to silence women had better head to the other words of Paul regarding women as well. Their women had better not fix their hair, or wear jewelery, or pearls, or nice dresses. They need to keep their women home and not out working. If they think Paul was saying women should at all time shut up they had better heed the rest of his words also. If not all I see is hypocrisy.
Now, the 1st Cor 14 thing. My opinion is, this may have been something to cover a local situation. I understand that in their services, the men sat on one side, the women sat on the other side. From what I have been able to gather, is they were calling across the room to their husbands, and disrupting the services. This may have been simply to keep order. I do agree, the women should ask the husband, who is to spiritually lead his wife. Does he lord it over her? Absolutely not. It is just the hierarchy God has set up. As I said, I am very good at the plan of salvation, which is the very most important thing in the entire universe. Some of these other less important issues, I am not so well versed in. I would feel much better deferring to amoreperfectunion and imardmd1. I think they might have a better grasp on some those finer points.
Of course, if you are inquiring about the plan of salvation, I, along with all of these born again Christains can surely help you or anyone who needs it. I hope that helps somewhat, but ask the two I mentioned. I think they are better on those points.
Check post #5211. I pinged you to it.