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To: terycarl; metmom
You were NEVER taught in the Catholic church that it was anyone except Christ who ever forgave a sin. Christ instituted the Sacrament of Penance or reconciliation when He empowered the Apostles saying "whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain, they are retained....He merely set up a procedure where a Catholic (one who believes in EVERY WORD THAT CHRIST UTTERED) has a process whereby he/she confesses to God, through a priest (as He directed)...receives absolution as well as advice and direction and counseling.....that's what priests are trained to do.

It is not true that Christ "set up a procedure" of confession to a priest for forgiveness of sin. From http://www.justforcatholics.org/a23.htm, we learn:

    Confession to a priest is not a biblical practice; it is not even a custom of the early church.

    Our Lord taught us to confess our sins directly to God the Father. He told us to pray, "Our Father in heaven...forgive us our sins as we forgive those who trespass against us." Reading the New Testament we do not find a single instance of the apostles hearing private confession; nor do we find the disciples confessing to a priest.

    There was no auricular confession to a priest in the early church either. Augustine gives us a snapshot of the church in the 4th and 5th century. In his Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed, Augustine writes:

      “When ye have been baptized, hold fast a good life in the commandments of God, that ye may guard your Baptism even unto the end. I do not tell you that ye will live here without sin; but they are venial, without which this life is not. For the sake of all sins was Baptism provided; for the sake of light sins, without which we cannot be, was prayer provided. What hath the Prayer? "Forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors." Once for all we have washing in Baptism, every day we have washing in prayer. Only, do not commit those things for which ye must needs be separated from Christ's body: which be far from you! For those whom ye have seen doing penance, have committed heinous things, either adulteries or some enormous crimes: for these they do penance. Because if theirs had been light sins, to blot out these daily prayer would suffice.”

    How did Christians deal with sin at that time? They dealt severely with those who committed grievous sins, casting them out of the church. A period of "penance" was required before the repentant sinner was re-admitted. But what about the daily sins that all Christians commit? Did they confess them to a priest? No, they confessed directly to God in prayer, asking the Father for forgiveness. Prayer was considered sufficient for daily cleaning.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church admits that private confession first came on the scene in the seventh century:

      “Over the centuries the concrete form in which the Church has exercised this power received from the Lord has varied considerably. During the first centuries the reconciliation of Christians who had committed particularly grave sins after their Baptism (for example, idolatry, murder, or adultery) was tied to a very rigorous discipline, according to which penitents had to do public penance for their sins, often for years, before receiving reconciliation. To this ‘order of penitents’ (which concerned only certain grave sins), one was only rarely admitted and in certain regions only once in a lifetime. During the seventh century Irish missionaries, inspired by the Eastern monastic tradition, took to continental Europe the ‘private’ practice of penance, which does not require public and prolonged completion of penitential works before reconciliation with the Church. From that time on, the sacrament has been performed in secret between penitent and priest. This new practice envisioned the possibility of repetition and so opened the way to a regular frequenting of this sacrament. It allowed the forgiveness of grave sins and venial sins to be integrated into one sacramental celebration. In its main lines this is the form of penance that the Church has practiced down to our day” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 1447).

    So, private confession was introduced a full seven centuries after Christ and His apostles. Ironically the Roman Church curses us if we dare assert the plain historical fact that secret confession to a priest was not observed from the beginning:

      “If anyone denies that the sacramental confession was instituted, and is necessary for salvation, by divine Law; or says that the manner of confessing secretly to a priest alone, which the Catholic Church has always observed from the beginning and still observes, is at variance with the institution and command of Christ and is a human invention, anathema sit” (Council of Trent, Session 14, Canon 6).

    Friend, I urge you to disregard Rome’s vain threats; you cannot deny the truth. If you want to follow the teaching of the Bible, and the practice of the early church, stop once and for all going to private confession to a priest. Pray to God. He knows your heart and He hears your prayers. He will certainly forgive you if you repent and believe in His Son, Jesus Christ.


5,221 posted on 01/05/2015 9:52:26 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
He will certainly forgive you if you repent and believe in His Son, Jesus Christ.

Hey Boat, here is something I see. When we are dealing with some people, sometimes we need to completely define everything we say. Example: When dealing with Mormons, for instance, they are guilty of "cult speak," meaning almost everything you say must be defined. When you say Jesus Christ, you know exactly who you a talking about, the spotless, sinless only begotten son of God. When a Mormon says Jesus Christ, it conjures up in his mind a whole different concept in his mind, not at all the Jesus of the Bible, but the Jesus of Mormonism, which is a Jesus who does not exist. Same with other words like "faith," "repent,""confession."

Make sense?

5,225 posted on 01/06/2015 1:24:30 AM PST by Mark17 (I'm a new creation, I'm a soul set free, and the man I was, you no longer see. Praise Jesus)
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To: boatbums

Attention!

Can I have a show of hands of our FR CAtholics please?

Which of you accept the following as true...

“If anyone denies that the sacramental confession was instituted, and is necessary for salvation, by divine Law; or says that the manner of confessing secretly to a priest alone, which the Catholic Church has always observed from the beginning and still observes, is at variance with the institution and command of Christ and is a human invention, anathema sit” (Council of Trent, Session 14, Canon 6).


5,237 posted on 01/06/2015 4:07:01 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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