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To: boatbums
You've been around here long enough to have figured out "FRoman Catholics" are Roman Catholic FReepers. Did you seriously imagine I made that up?

You were complaining about me wanting to use labels and you were doing it yourself.

4,160 posted on 12/30/2014 4:21:40 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981; Springfield Reformer
You were complaining about me wanting to use labels and you were doing it yourself.

SIGH!

My complaint was that you presumed to place Springfield Reformer and I into the "pledged to the Reformers" box and concluded, wrongly, that since I made a passing reference to Martin Luther, I was pledged to him, too. Here's what you said:

Pauline Soteriology. Would will the Twelve Apostles judging on twelve thrones say about that ? There was a reformed theology from Luther and others who created a new religious movement without divine authority almost five centuries ago. Obviously Romans was not clear to them. Since you have pledged yourself, as it were, to the reformers, and I rest in the holy catholic apostolic church, we will not agree and await the judgment of Messiah and the Apostles.

My reply was:

Why is it many FRoman Catholics seem so incapable of seeing others without placing them in tidy boxes with labels on the outside? Neither SR nor I "pledged" ourselves to the reformers. All we've been trying to do is show the reformers were NOT the originators of the doctrines of sola Scriptura and sola fide but that these were clearly taught IN scripture and were held by many of the very first church "fathers". How is it you can just ignore all the quotes and references that have been posted which proved that?

You accused me of making up the term FRoman Catholic and I told you why I didn't. Sheesh! Do you argue with relatives in this manner, nitpicking words, majoring on the minor, avoiding talking about the point? It's a crummy way of having a discussion.

4,249 posted on 12/30/2014 11:42:50 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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