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To: boatbums; aMorePerfectUnion; Springfield Reformer; metmom
(Mine) What is your degree in? I am still waiting on that answer from you.

(BB)Be honest now, if Metmom had advanced degrees in Theology and ancient Greek and Hebrew languages, would it make any difference to you if she disputed something Roman Catholicism teaches?

You already showed your hand when you claimed:

(Mine) The thing I try to keep in mind is that protestantism is a vast intellectual wasteland.

Prots have difficulty accepting truth.

(BB) Among other equally bigoted ad hominem attacks towards non-Catholic Freepers when they disagreed with RC doctrines. So, what is your motivation for asking anyone for their scholastic credentials when you have already revealed it won't make a bit of difference?

You need to understand the meaning of the Latin phrase Ad hominem: ad ho-mi-nem in Culture ad hominem [(ad hom -uh-nem, ad hom -uh-nuhm)] A Latin expression meaning “to the man.” An ad hominem argument is one that relies on personal attacks rather than reason or substance.

Ad Hom are not allowed on FR and are pulled by the mods and we all had posts pulled. It is perfectly fine to make general statements, those are allowed. Your own comments "FRoman Catholics" in post 3689 are a perfect example.

I have had long polite discussions both on and off list with a number of non Catholics including both SR and AMPU. AMPU even gave me assistance with a Greek translation on a personal matter that I needed a Non Catholic perspective on. He spent a number of hours verifying that my translation was correct and I am most grateful for that as well as the discussion we had about the matter.

A degree would certainly give her opinions more weight. It is not the degree that matters in her case. It is the anti intellectual bigotry that is constantly presented. As well as the complete ignorance of the Catholic faith by someone, like yourself, that has claimed to be an ex-Catholic

When you Are questioned both of you dodge.

Perfect example: Earlier on the thread I asked both of you "Where did you learn to worship Mary?" I wanted to know specifically who taught you that Mary was divine. MM refused to answer and your response was to the effect of: It is difficult to say...

It isn't difficult to say. It is simply a matter of Fr. Brown during Mass, Sister Mary Joseph in 3rd grade CCD, My parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, taught me during......

The fact is that it never happened.

3,914 posted on 12/30/2014 3:13:27 AM PST by verga
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To: verga
When you Are questioned both of you dodge.

7 churches in Asia, all Catholic...

3,960 posted on 12/30/2014 6:44:42 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga; metmom
It's almost cute how you seem to think you have to educate everyone here on word usage and grammar - even spelling. I wonder if you recognize your own errors like when you continue to make personal attacks against individuals and entire groups? You also consistently avoid answering direct questions, choosing to divert attention away from the topic and down another rabbit hole. You only brought up the question of other FReeper's degrees because I rejected your assertion that "Protestantism is a vast intellectual wasteland". I wasn't even referring to FReepers, that was where you took it. That God has blessed Protestantism and Evangelicalism with gifted, intellectually sound men and women is undeniable - some even show up on these threads.

A degree would certainly give her opinions more weight. It is not the degree that matters in her case. It is the anti intellectual bigotry that is constantly presented. As well as the complete ignorance of the Catholic faith by someone, like yourself, that has claimed to be an ex-Catholic When you Are questioned both of you dodge. Perfect example: Earlier on the thread I asked both of you "Where did you learn to worship Mary?" I wanted to know specifically who taught you that Mary was divine. MM refused to answer and your response was to the effect of: It is difficult to say... It isn't difficult to say. It is simply a matter of Fr. Brown during Mass, Sister Mary Joseph in 3rd grade CCD, My parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, taught me during...... The fact is that it never happened.

Yet another example of your personal attacks while denying you engage in them! What you call "anti-intellectual bigotry" is really nothing more than your OWN bigotry in response to having your beliefs challenged. You boast of a degree in "Theology" but do your comments ever give evidence of deep thinking or reasoned considerations? Haven't so far. You hide behind carefully worded personal attacks - some not so carefully - and lash out at others if they dare contradict you! Again, not a good indicator of a person who has confidence in his own beliefs. You presume people like Metmom have "complete ignorance of the Catholic faith", but what you really mean is they don't accept what the religion teaches on certain things.

You claim you asked the both of us where we learned to worship Mary and you presumed the question was dodged. Did it occur to you that it was seen as an insincere question to which ANY answer would be shot down anyway, just as you've done in the past? Do you honestly believe EVERY question you toss out there DESERVES an answer to your demands? How quick you are to assign "dodging" and "crickets", as reasons for non-answers as if you have really stumped "those prots"! There is FAR more intellectual honesty and scholarship posted here almost daily by the non-Catholics than I see in a month from your peeps.

The simple truth is that Jesus called fishermen, a tax collector and others who could not boast of their advanced degrees and intellectual largess, but who opened their hearts to the truth as the Holy Spirit illuminated it to them through Jesus Christ. That's what He requires of us today. Some of the "smartest" people in the world are completely ignorant of what life is all about.

    Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord. (I Cor. 1:26-31)

4,236 posted on 12/30/2014 8:41:28 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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