Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Good grief!! Mary was so unimportant to the people at that time no one even kept track of where she lived out her last days. It’s all speculation. Some say Jerusalem, some say Bethlehem and still others somewhere in Ephesus. If she wasn’t important enough for anyone to keep track of her while she was alive how can they expect to know where she died? They wouldn’t know where to look for her remains anyway.
Catholics try to use these big words (learned them today at the Catholic Apologetics website).
This is how Rome tells Catholics to defends themselves.
you forgot homophobic raciest...
Stating the fact that your denomination doesn’t follow Scripture on some of the most important soul saving subjects doesn’t mean mocking your denomination.
That one is so sold out he only regurgitates Catholic talking points.
I was making the point that if I did that to you the RM would be all over it but because Elsie ‘has issues’ and “is harmless’ he is given a big pass.
You would not stand for a Catholic to pull that crap as it would demonstrate how evil we are.
What does it say about all the prots that just smile and give him a pass.
Bet not one prot ever went to him private mail and said ‘slow down boy!
or do you all think that is just acceptable prot behavior.
Don’t worry about me I’m on this forum once every three months.
I am off for three months
For the Greater Glory of God
Oh the apostles knew all right.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Or don't you think the Holy Spirit knew either?
>>OR HE WOULD NOT INSPIRE THEM to declare it.<<
The Holy Spirit was there.
>>He declared that the Catholic church would be infallible in matters of faith and morals<<
No "Catholic Church" mentioned in scripture.
She was a fellow servant that served the Heavenly Father no more no less. The problem is that Catholics put too much weight on the flesh. That’s why everything they do is see, feel, touch, taste, and smell.
John 4:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Mary was more than important, then and now. Read the Gospels, for heaven’s sake. Or, better still, ask Jesus.
“Hail Mary, full of grace, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.”
Was St. Peter “unimportant” too?
In-credible, but par for the heresy course of Rome. Once you begin sanctions fables of men as doctrine, including presenting men as assuredly infallible, and thus enabling such fables of amorphous oral tradition to be taught as true, then are the multitude of such inventions as this any surprise? Adds to the list .
The apostles and NT church entirely neglected this esoteric tidbit, but as with the rest of Scripture, only taught and exampled prayer and praise addressed to Heaven to be to the Lord, with Christ being the only manifest Heavenly intercessor. To the glory of God, which this Mariolatry is not!
On judgment day, the humble holy Mary of Scripture will be part of those who condemn these who promoted the Mary of Catholicism!
Your point was what?
I believe I showed that to you or one of your compatriots about a year ago.
Between the Lectionary and the Liturgy of the Hours which is about six times the size Catholics have been steeped in Scripture plus we do get to go to daily Mass when we can.
Also forgot to mention for each of the readings of the Lectionary there are several pages of commentary and analysis.
Daily Scripture Reading all told without going to Daily Mass is about 1 hr 30-45 minutes.
These Lectionary and Liturgy of the Hours go back as far as the second century.
So my same question is it bad scripture or good scripture?
When I heard of the BS preached in some mainline churches, I went to my minister and asked him about it.
He said...here is what I believe (Jesus) and here is what I preach (Jesus and Salvation).
I am amazed that Catholics don't care enough for their eternity that they don't do the same.
If my Methodist Church were to move away from God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, I would drop them like a bad habit.
Catholics, on the other hand, put Church before God (at least on this thread).
And that's OK if they are willing to accept the circumstances.
So simply show that the apostles taught the assumption of Mary. The Catholic Church doesn't even know where she lived out her life here on earth. She was obviously so unimportant to the people at the time nobody even kept track of where she lived.
No, we don't have a daily record of everything Jesus or Peter or Paul ever did. No one has ever claimed that.
What we do claim is that the writings the Apostles have given to us are sufficient for knowing who Christ is, knowing we are sinners, and knowing how we can find forgiveness of sins. That is sufficient.
The Bible tells us we have two intercessors in Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The Word tells us they are constantly making intercession for us.
Yet catholicism tells us the Mary does a better job than these two do....with no Biblical support to back it up.
Other religions have additional books and teachings they claim support the Bible as well....that they are additional teachings. They even cite selected verses to attempt to show their "belief" in the Bible. However, when examined they are in contradiction of the Word.
That is the issue with the catholic church on Mary.
This is from Pope Leo XIII as an example.
We constantly seek for help from Heaven - the sole means of effecting anything - that our labours and our care may obtain their wished for object. We deem that there could be no surer and more efficacious means to this end than by religion and piety to obtain the favour of the great Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, the guardian of our peace and the minister to us of heavenly grace, who is placed on the highest summit of power and glory in Heaven, in order that she may bestow the help of her patronage on men who through so many labours and dangers are striving to reach that eternal city. …..showing that the Catholic Church has always, and with justice, put all her hope and trust in the Mother of God. SUPREMI APOSTOLATUS OFFICIO ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIIION DEVOTION OF THE ROSARY
Notice that false teachings....the catholic church has put ALL of her hope and trust in Mary.
She is on the highest summit in Heaven....not God....not Jesus...but Mary.
I guess when John was given the Revelation and was able to see the Throne, he somehow missed Mary.
Not Jesus. ALL the hope of the Roman Catholic Church is in Mary. Not Jesus....the One Who died for our sins.
It sounds nice what the Pope wrote....but it is a lie out of the pit. This is how the enemy works.
A little, except in this case it's a lot, deviation or twisting of the Word. Pretty soon you're so far off base you don't realize it.
The RCC is so proud of this "tradition" that they could not back off now if they wanted to. Too much time, money and energy is invested in this. If they came out tomorrow and said "we're wrong on Mary", the whole thing would collapse.
The apostles called every believer a saint.
That we've probably scratched the surface is the scary part.
No wonder there's so much flak over the target!
Wondered if you can find a definitive scriptural passage about Mary being dead or dying?
could you show us point us to any printed or unprinted bibles prior to 1500 AD that were not the Latin Vulgate or a local translation of same.
Mary was the mother of God (!!!), no more, no less. She was born without original sin. For those here who believe in the Bible:
Salute Mary, who hath laboured much among you.
Romans 16:6
LS'98 is proof of that.
And to think I believed he was a Catholic.
The pit awaits LS.
Come and get it.
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